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post #11 of 17
or an i5 2500k build with a geforce card with cuda, will speed up video encoding

$220+tax for this combo from microcenter ($70 combo discount + $10mir)
i5 2500k+Gigabyte GA-Z68AP-D3
http://www.microcenter.com/search/se...=200121+909002

geforce 8400gs/210/520 will be fine if you dont game on it
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by amstech View Post
Fixed.
That's why I said "was"


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Those are the only two applications in the world?
And what if you want to run multiple apps?

I get near 4Gb and i just game.
I bottlenecked at 4GB RAM.
http://www.overclock.net/pc-games/11...h-gambing.html
When did I ever say "those are tho only two applications in the world"? I never did, so don't put words in my mouth. Those were the two you picked as examples for why you need more memory, and frankly, those applications don't need more memory.

Video streaming, video encoding, video decoding, video playback, video capturing - all of those applications are far more dependent on hard-drive through-put than RAM. Yes, if you had 24GB of RAM you could store all your streamed video in memory and if you needed to access it, sure it would be fast. But that is due to the high throughput of the memory, not the amount. RAM is random access memory. Those applications have nearly zero need for random access.

As far as gaming is concerned--an application the OP specifically stated he was only marginally interested is--you don't need more than 4GB of RAM unless you play the highest-end games at this time. Since most games are still 32-bit, and therefore can't address more than 4GB of memory, it will take a while before you see main-stream games needing more than that.

Now, if you are doing multimedia creation, like I said before, then more RAM will definitely help you. Since multimedia creation general involves non-linear editing of large RAW files, then you want those large files in a random access-friendly location: RAM.

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No it isn't.
Not for what he is doing, 16GB doesn't cost much at all and your set for the future.
What exactly is he doing? Obviously you have some information that I don't have, because all I know is that the OP said he's doing "video encoding."

Now, I don't disagree that more RAM is useful. If you had an unlimited budget, I would recommend that you fully populate your mobo, since more RAM can always be used, either in multitasking, high-end gaming, or HD video editing. But if it's a question of what you need, then no, you don't need 16GB of RAM for some gaming and video encoding.
post #13 of 17
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Sorry guys.....I did not mean to start an argument. I want to keep the build around $800. I am planning on reusing my case, NZXT Tempest Evo, keyboard, mouse HD-dvd/BD drive and my monitor, Acer H233H. I don't game that often and if I do it is not the latest game out. I don't watch movies on my rig, I just encode my movies to be able to stream them to my media player, surf the web and work from home, using word and excel mainly. My wife tends to use photoshop or some other photo editing software. I would like to be able to overclock and be able to upgrade to Bulldozer, probably with the next series of chips.

So far I have come up with the following:
CORSAIR CWCH60 Hydro Series H60 High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler $73.74
Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2CCA 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) with Transfer Kit $214.99
CORSAIR Professional Series HX650 (CMPSU-650HX) 650W $119.99
ASUS Crosshair V Formula AM3+ AMD 990FX $229.99
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T $169.99
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) $89.99

Total is $898.69

What can I change from above to bring the price down? Obviously if the board does not come with built-in video, I will need to get a video card as well. Any other info you may need to help me?
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post #14 of 17
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Sorry guys.....I did not mean to start an argument. Any other info you may need to help me?
Don't worry about that other guy, never listen to backpeddling.
As far as your PC, the build looks solid.
You said you don't game?

What about monitors?
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MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer X233H Razer BlackWidow Ultimate  OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W XClio Windtunnel 
MouseMouse Pad
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Acer X1373WH Projector Corsair CX500 Cooler Master 430 
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Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7.2K 16MB Cache Prolimatech Megahalem Rev.B (Push/Pull) Windows 7 Home Premium 64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer X233H Razer BlackWidow Ultimate  OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W XClio Windtunnel 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitech G502 Proteus Core Tunable  Razer Goliathus 444mm x 355mm - Speed Edition ... 
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AMD Phenom II 720 X3 BE @ 3.2GHz 24/7 MSi 770-G45 Sapphire Radeon HD 6870  8GB GSkill RipJaw 1333Mhz  
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1TB Samsung F3  DVD+-RW  Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit 60" LG 60PA5500 Plasma 
MonitorPowerCase
Acer X1373WH Projector Corsair CX500 Cooler Master 430 
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i5-2430M Intel HD Graphics  Nvidia 1GB GT 550M (GF116) w/Optimus|DX11|144 ... 6GB DDR3  
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
120GB PNY 1311 SSD 500GB 7.2K RPM Windows7 Home Premium 64 17.3" WLED TL 1600 X 900 with 2.0MP HD webcam 
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post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by amstech View Post
Don't worry about that other guy, never listen to backpeddling.
As far as your PC, the build looks solid.
You said you don't game?

What about monitors?
I have an Acer H233H, 1920x1080 16:9 5ms response. Not sure what decent video card to pick up.
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Q6600 g0 @ 3.36ghz Abit IP35 8800GTS 640mb corsair 2x1gb XMS2 + 2x2gb XMS2 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Seagate Barracuda 750gb Windows 7 Acer 19" wide Logitech Wave 
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Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Seagate Barracuda 750gb Windows 7 Acer 19" wide Logitech Wave 
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post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by amstech View Post
Don't worry about that other guy, never listen to backpeddling.
As far as your PC, the build looks solid.
You said you don't game?

What about monitors?
Did I do something to upset you?

I have responded professionally with my opinion and experience concerning RAM usage. From the get-go, you have responded to me with derisive ad hominem attacks and blatant mis-quoting of my previous statements.

And how have I "backpedaled"? There's nothing inconsistent about my previous posts, and I stand by everything I've said. If you don't believe me, I'd be happy to find or run benchmarks to prove my position. But ask, don't just belittle me to make your own point.


To the OP:

You don't need anything spectacular when it comes to video cards. If you want some room for gaming, you could probably get by with a video card a few generations back no problem. I mean, my primary rig until a month ago had an old 8800GTX, and I could even run GTAIV on medium settings without much difficulty.

Also, you motherboard selection is really high-end. Unless you plan on doing extreme overclocking, you could probably save $100 by going to a medium-end motherboard. I'm not that experienced with AMD motherboards, so I will defer to someone who is.

EDIT:

You could save a few bucks by picking the Antec 620 over the H60. Both are largely considered equivalent: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835209049

You could also save by going with 8GB of RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231314), though obviously that's a point in contention at the moment . At the very least, buying two of those kits as opposed to the 16GB kit will save you 1 cent, and make it easier to return if something goes wrong (that way you only have to return two sticks, instead of all 4, for an RMA, for example).
Edited by Nick2253 - 11/8/11 at 9:31pm
post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by eroz View Post
I have an Acer H233H, 1920x1080 16:9 5ms response. Not sure what decent video card to pick up.
If you don't game your 640MB 8800GTS should be fine.
If you want to sample something like DX11 and not pay a fortune I recommend a 5770/6870.
buildX
(16 items)
 
X3Elite (HTPC)
(14 items)
 
Dell XPS L702X
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 930 @ 4.0GHz (24/7) HT/on  Asus P6TD Deluxe Gigabyte 2GB GTX 670 Windforce3X OC  6GB OCZ Gold 1600 (tri-channel) 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7.2K 16MB Cache Prolimatech Megahalem Rev.B (Push/Pull) Windows 7 Home Premium 64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer X233H Razer BlackWidow Ultimate  OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W XClio Windtunnel 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitech G502 Proteus Core Tunable  Razer Goliathus 444mm x 355mm - Speed Edition ... 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II 720 X3 BE @ 3.2GHz 24/7 MSi 770-G45 Sapphire Radeon HD 6870  8GB GSkill RipJaw 1333Mhz  
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
1TB Samsung F3  DVD+-RW  Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit 60" LG 60PA5500 Plasma 
MonitorPowerCase
Acer X1373WH Projector Corsair CX500 Cooler Master 430 
CPUGraphicsGraphicsRAM
i5-2430M Intel HD Graphics  Nvidia 1GB GT 550M (GF116) w/Optimus|DX11|144 ... 6GB DDR3  
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
120GB PNY 1311 SSD 500GB 7.2K RPM Windows7 Home Premium 64 17.3" WLED TL 1600 X 900 with 2.0MP HD webcam 
KeyboardCaseAudio
Backlit Keyboard Elemental Silver Aluminum JBL 2.1 W/ Built-in Subwoofer 
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buildX
(16 items)
 
X3Elite (HTPC)
(14 items)
 
Dell XPS L702X
(11 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 930 @ 4.0GHz (24/7) HT/on  Asus P6TD Deluxe Gigabyte 2GB GTX 670 Windforce3X OC  6GB OCZ Gold 1600 (tri-channel) 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7.2K 16MB Cache Prolimatech Megahalem Rev.B (Push/Pull) Windows 7 Home Premium 64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer X233H Razer BlackWidow Ultimate  OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W XClio Windtunnel 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitech G502 Proteus Core Tunable  Razer Goliathus 444mm x 355mm - Speed Edition ... 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II 720 X3 BE @ 3.2GHz 24/7 MSi 770-G45 Sapphire Radeon HD 6870  8GB GSkill RipJaw 1333Mhz  
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
1TB Samsung F3  DVD+-RW  Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit 60" LG 60PA5500 Plasma 
MonitorPowerCase
Acer X1373WH Projector Corsair CX500 Cooler Master 430 
CPUGraphicsGraphicsRAM
i5-2430M Intel HD Graphics  Nvidia 1GB GT 550M (GF116) w/Optimus|DX11|144 ... 6GB DDR3  
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
120GB PNY 1311 SSD 500GB 7.2K RPM Windows7 Home Premium 64 17.3" WLED TL 1600 X 900 with 2.0MP HD webcam 
KeyboardCaseAudio
Backlit Keyboard Elemental Silver Aluminum JBL 2.1 W/ Built-in Subwoofer 
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