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post #1 of 7
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Tested:
Hein VE
Hein Soft

Base:
Puretrak Talent

Games:
Quakelive
L4D2

I was really excited about the Hein pads. They did not dazzle me as I hoped.

1.) Despite what you will read in some reviews, the glide on a Hein is not that great. It feels a little scratchy and rough.

2.) The tracking is actually quite good...but again the glide is not that great. So good tracking for bad glide is a loss for me.

3.) Once a palm comes into the equation you have a lot more issues. This thing grips your palm/wrist like nothing else. The friction the pad makes with your hand works against you quite a bit. Imagine if your mouse glided decently, but your wrist, hand, arm were resting on a sandpaper. It's really annoying and uncomfortable.

4.) According to Mionix software it rates a 5/10 tracking surface as opposed to my Puretrak Talent that rates a 4/10. Talent still wins hands down in use though.

I really like the idea, and I like that GUPjapan tried something innovative...it doesn't work in my opinion though.

I'm considering sending these mousepads to someone else so they can try them. The VE and Soft appear to be identical aside from a lower quality grip on the bottom of the VE and possibly a lower quality cushioning layer compared to the Soft.

Again, I really really wanted to like these pads and worked with them for a couple months...but I wouldn't recommend them.
post #2 of 7
Sorry but I have to disagree. Even though the texture is rough, the glide itself is uniform and consistent easy to start and stop / slow down. Theyre not fast pads like the Shiden or glass but they definitely glide well. It would appear to me you're mixing up texture with resistance.

As far as that tracking rating program goes, I'm sure it's not very reliable and I have not heard on what basis the program uses to judge a pads surface but I definitely wouldn't listen to anything that just has a 'rating'. You should be more concerned about #'s such as the max malfunction speed at what speeds and dpi. That however is not easy to know, but knowing if you are getting accel should be.
post #3 of 7
The Hien is not supposed to have a lot of glide, it's a control pad, it has the least glide of all their pads. Like exousia said, the glide it does have is consistent. I have no issues with it gripping my palm and the base of my palm does rest on the pad. I think if you like the texture of the Talent better that it's not because the Talent is a better pad, it's just suited for different use. Try the Hayate if you want a pad of similar glide to the Talent.
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post #4 of 7
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Well, these are valid opinions. And I would be more than happy to send my pads to someone for just cost of shipping. In the games I play (primarily QL) this pad has a lot of 'resistance' as opposed to a cheapo cloth pad or a puretrak talent. In addition the surface is very rough and while skates might glide well on the fine weave, palms and forearms stick to it like velcro. I'd say this is a minus. Again, it's just my opinion. I think GUPjapan is doing something interesting and I wouldn't mind trying out some of their other pads. I wouldn't recommend the Hein for a moderate sense player that needs a lot of flexibility as the pad will fight you a lot at the extremes.

EDIT: Also, I think my point is valid about the glide on the Heins. You say that it is a 'control' mouse. Yet most of the Hein reviews I can find talk about how great the glide on the tight weave is. So I'm just letting people know, that the glide is below even generic cloth standard. If this is 'control' then so be it. There ARE a handful of Hein reviews lauding the glide of the Hein pads that just aren't accurate.
Edited by czerro - 11/7/11 at 9:34pm
post #5 of 7
I wasn't a fan of the Hien either.
post #6 of 7
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Originally Posted by czerro;15613304 
There ARE a handful of Hein reviews lauding the glide of the Hein pads that just aren't accurate.

I wouldn't trust any site that reviews the Hien and says it has a lot of glide, it doesn't, but I don't think it's supposed to. On Artisan's old site where it had those charts that showed initial motion and stopping power, the Hien soft had the least initial motion, but the highest stopping. From that alone you can tell that that Artisan intends for the Hien to be the pad with the least glide and most control.
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post #7 of 7
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I dunno about the old site. The current site uses a 5 point pentagon rating system that is absolutely unintuitive. The very few reviews of the Hein that you can find online talk about how unbelievably good the glide is for the tight semi-hard weave. This just isn't true. The glide is below par. If what you say is true, then this pad was designed to be high resistance. I'm just verifying your argument. Go look up some Hein reviews and you will see a lot of talk about how great the glide is. The second issue is that the thing grips your palm and forearm (if you play russian) like nothing else. My sandpaper analogy is pretty appropriate. I considered purchasing a Shiden, but I've read some reviews that the glossier Shiden surface ALSO death-grips the palm/forearm.

I will keep my eye on GUPjapan and will probably try another pad from them at some point. I think if there is a market for the pad, it's probably for very high sensitivity players that could benefit from the resistance of the pad and the stability the pad provides to the palm/arm.
Edited by czerro - 11/9/11 at 3:09am
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