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post #11 of 19
Defragging is very important. I do my storage drive ( WD Black ) every week and it keeps that thing running great , i use smart defrag 2 and it does a wonderful job.
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really I dont see a reason to defrag every 2wks. you are just wearing out your hard drive faster for no reason. And if you do alot of reading and writing to a drive then yes it will help especially when dealing with files like mp3s and movies together if you add and delete alot. And it always helps to defrag after you install all your apps after you reinstall windows. It just helps makes your hard drive not to work as hard which in terms should make it last longer.

Example: Image having to read from 40 different locations spread across the hard drive. So the heads have to travel to all 40 locations to read the whole file. This really has an impact on games like Fallout 3 and Grand Theft Auto games since they stream the graphics on the fly. So i personally have noticed a difference in performance, but when i analyze my hard drives. If they are barely fragmented I dont touch it unless its a fresh reinstall.
 
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post #13 of 19
Fragmented files are all over the place. Open a program, your HDD has to search for those files. De-fragmenting lines these files up in a neat little row. Now, when you go to access a program or file, your only seeking in one area, not all over the drive.

There may be no hard evidence, but the difference between before and after is noticeable.
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post #14 of 19
Yes it does help, I use smart defrag as it can defrag the page file and reserved system space for a quicker startup.

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Originally Posted by terraprime View Post
really I dont see a reason to defrag every 2wks. you are just wearing out your hard drive faster for no reason. And if you do alot of reading and writing to a drive then yes it will help especially when dealing with files like mp3s and movies together if you add and delete alot. And it always helps to defrag after you install all your apps after you reinstall windows. It just helps makes your hard drive not to work as hard which in terms should make it last longer.

Example: Image having to read from 40 different locations spread across the hard drive. So the heads have to travel to all 40 locations to read the whole file. This really has an impact on games like Fallout 3 and Grand Theft Auto games since they stream the graphics on the fly. So i personally have noticed a difference in performance, but when i analyze my hard drives. If they are barely fragmented I dont touch it unless its a fresh reinstall.


Actually no it doesnt wear the drive out, actually helps so it doesn't have to seek as much to find the information, havent had a drive wear out on me yet due to defragmentation
Edited by XAslanX - 11/7/11 at 6:43pm
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by XAslanX View Post
Yes it does help, I use smart defrag as it can defrag the page file and reserved system space for a quicker startup.
Hell I didnt know there was a defragging program was out there that did that. But I find it easier just to disable the page file defrag and then re enable it. ALOT easier than using a program even tho it may take a we bit more time to do so.
 
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post #16 of 19
ive only been running it every 2 weeks because i add/delete games and movies constantly my windows drive maybe gets once a month, cause thats all thats on my WD, the seagate needs its defrags though
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post #17 of 19
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I get what the concept is but is their any HARD evidence for its benefits?
It's not a myth, nor is it he said/she said. It's a fact of how HDD work and how bits are saved onto your hdd. If you want HARD evidence, I would start by learning how a bit of data gets saved onto a magnetic drive. This isn't rocket science. Simply put: Sequential Read is faster than Random Reads.

However you can test it for yourself: Measure the amount of time it takes to open specific large programs (Photoshop for example) on a Freshly defragged drive. Then use your drive normally over time. Test again a couple months later. Then defrag, and test a third time. You will find your result from that little experiment
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It's not a myth, nor is it he said/she said. It's a fact of how HDD work and how bits are saved onto your hdd. If you want HARD evidence, I would start by learning how a bit of data gets saved onto a magnetic drive. This isn't rocket science. Simply put: Sequential Read is faster than Random Reads.

However you can test it for yourself: Measure the amount of time it takes to open specific large programs (Photoshop for example) on a Freshly defragged drive. Then use your drive normally over time. Test again a couple months later. Then defrag, and test a third time. You will find your result from that little experiment
"With all of the benchmarking completed, we find it rather suspicious that disk defragmentation did nothing to improve the performance of our machine. However, we must note that our test drive was not terribly fragmented to begin with due to Vista’s auto-defragger running on our test bed. Even the paid-for programs were unable to yield any positive gains—quite the opposite, in some instances.

We had high hopes for Diskeeper at first. Given the relatively high level of fragmentation it quoted compared to Vista’s built-in app, we assumed the program’s analysis routines were seeing fragmentation that Vista couldn’t. In turn, we expected Diskeeper to do a better job of moving files around and ultimately give us better benchmark numbers than the Vista client.

That was wishful thinking on our part, as Diskeeper didn’t trump the Vista defragmentation routine at all. While it did beat PerfectDisk by 150 points in our PCMark Vantage test, we hardly consider this a trouncing. We even fired up both programs’ boot-time defragmentation options to see if these additional features would make any difference on our benchmarks. Zilch.
We like the Vista defragmentation program for the simple fact that it’s, well, there. It comes with Vista and is enabled by default and runs its defragmentation routines during the wee hours of the morning. And even if you alter this time or run your own manual defragmentation, the program runs at a low processor priority, so you can easily multitask without hampering your computing experience.

That said, we hate that Vista gives you no estimated time of completion. You also get no way to see what the application is doing, any graphical representation of how fragmented your drive is, or any of the other features we’ve come to expect in even the most entry-level of defragmentation applications. Even if the pretty moving colored blocks don’t correspond to the actual data on our drives, at least they give us something to look at during the interminable two-hour-plus defrag process. You even have to run a command-line version of the application just to see an analysis of your drive’s fragmentation level.

If you don’t mind manually running your defragger and you can’t live without a visual representation of the fragmentation level of your drive, try Auslogics’s Disk Defrag. It doesn’t outperform Vista in our tests, but it runs faster than the operating system’s built-in defragger, and it displays a pretty picture to let you know that it’s working. Even if disk defragmentation ultimately does nothing for your computer—as our benchmark numbers would have us believe—you don’t need to spend money on a third-party program when Auslogics’s Disk Defrag is a serviceable free solution
."

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really I dont see a reason to defrag every 2wks. you are just wearing out your hard drive faster for no reason.
Maybe you're wearing it out faster by not defragging?

I doubt any of us have charted out the distance an HDD head travels on average during a day on a defragmented and non-defragmented drive.

Anecdotal evidence, but... I defragmented my Raptor every week for about 8 years. It's still going strong, as fast as the day I got it...

I've noticed that Steam sometimes takes about 10-15 seconds to bring up my friends list. If I run Defraggler, it tells me there's some steam cache files in about a thousand fragments. After a defrag and a reboot my friends list pops up in about 1-2 seconds. That's quite the difference in cold start performance.
     
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