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Originally Posted by HK_47 View Post
apparently you didn't watch the video of this hobbyist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImGar...layer_embedded
there are a select few who have the know-how to build their own water fuel cell, which is pretty much the main component. even in that video the guy claims it is his own "patented electrolysis system" people who have built such a thing will not freely part with the information, I did not say "evil" corporations. the word I said was "greed" you are misquoting me. It doesn't take a genius to see the patent war going, its not just tablets and cell phones, patent wars have been happening for 150+ years.
I didn't say you said evil. One can assume, however, from your perspective that you may view corporations as evil. Although this is irrelevant.

I'm going to read about using this in conjunction with turbochargers.
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post #32 of 44
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It's actually not pretty simple. The issue is producing enough hydrogen on-the-fly to actually power a car. Also, electrolysis doesn't just happen. You need an external power source, and it's not a very efficient process. This is why with our current hydrogen extraction methods this isn't feasible. However, there are a number of universities that are working on viable chemical reaction methods of extracting hydrogen from water on-the-fly in a vehicle. Hopefully they will find a commercially viable method, but until then it's just a pipe dream.

I remember reading somewhere that this "scientist" has a pretty sketchy past when it comes to "world changing" discoveries like this one. Cold fusion really has a demonized past, and there are many scientists who question the possibility of it. I really do hope that this machine really works, but my skepticism meter just blew out from overexposure.

the water fuel cell Stanley Meyer created consumed less than half of an amp....
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the water fuel cell Stanley Meyer created consumed less than half of an amp....
That video clearly shows that yes it does work, but there is no way that is producing anywhere enough hydrogen to power a car on-the-fly. Electrolysis isn't some mystery technology. The issue with extracting hydrogen from water using electrolysis is the inefficiency of the process, and the difficulties that arise from storing the resulting hydrogen gas.

The efficiency of electrolysis of water is somewhere between 50%-80% depending on who you believe.
Edited by AtomicFrost - 11/8/11 at 7:17pm
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That video clearly shows that yes it does work, but there is no way that is producing anywhere enough hydrogen to power a car on-the-fly. Electrolysis isn't some mystery technology. The issue with extracting hydrogen from water using electrolysis is the inefficiency of the process, and the difficulties that arise from storing the resulting hydrogen gas.

The efficiency of electrolysis of water is somewhere between 50%-80% depending on who you believe.
It could supplement the natural operation of a gas-powered engine, though, like a supercharger or turbocharger.
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That video clearly shows that yes it does work, but there is no way that is producing anywhere enough hydrogen to power a car on-the-fly. Electrolysis isn't some mystery technology. The issue with extracting hydrogen from water using electrolysis is the inefficiency of the process, and the difficulties that arise from storing the resulting hydrogen gas.

The efficiency of electrolysis of water is somewhere between 50%-80% depending on who you believe.
Completely agree.

That amount of gas production is not amazing to be honest. And the earlier poster said "it uses half an amp", yes, but at what voltage? 500 mA at 1 volt is very very different than 500 mA at 120v or 240v. I hope you know basic electricity which is taught in American high schools. Current X Voltage = watts

Also, if you google around, you can easily find online forums and whatnot for such water electrolysis, mostly centering around DIY welders and other such tidbits. In those situations, the process actually works, but for things such as cars and lowering emissions, it does not work. On some forums the people even show you the mathematical reasoning behind their deduction, and you are free to check yourself. It is not even complicated math, simple multiplying and division.
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It could supplement the natural operation of a gas-powered engine, though, like a supercharger or turbocharger.
This has been said a huge amount of times, and the people that do this have yet to show a verifiable decrease in fuel consumption or decrease in emissions. To say the least, it is surrounded with crackpots.
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This over and over. Hey u guys remeber in 2005 or so the WATER POWERED ENGINE?

Ya, 6 years + and not a word of that tech has come about.... strange, i wonder what happened?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImGaraPrEo8
water powered car video in case u dont remember, i sure do.

EDIT: And yes, i do realize that this is a horrible idea to turn our most needed resource water, into fuel for cars, but still....
Electrolysis isn't that wild of any idea. It's definitely not revolutionary in any sense of the word. Besides that, it's not "water powered", it's just hydrogen combustion. Using hydrogen combustion for powering a vehicle is very inefficient, not to mention the fact that you can't go very far, as there isn't yet a viable way to store hydrogen in large enough amounts to make a car travel any significant distance.

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we had a working Water-Fuel-Cell in the Mid 1980's. Most of this tech goes MIA, people mysteriously die, and patents get bought up / vanish. Corporate GREED is not a conspiracy theory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOGAkRkCWfA
Conservation of energy. You can't get more energy out of split water than you put in splitting it. Obvious scam is obvious. That one's not even clever.
    
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we had a working Water-Fuel-Cell in the Mid 1980's. Most of this tech goes MIA, people mysteriously die, and patents get bought up / vanish. Corporate GREED is not a conspiracy theory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOGAkRkCWfA
lol, the corporations are holding us down!

they don't want us to know that the law of conservation of energy is a lie!!!
    
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I was disappointed by the thread title.

I was expecting Bob Ross painting happy cold fusion generators.
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