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plus with your sig there was no bottleneck in your system unless you have those cards unlocked and overclocked to 1.35v and 1000core/1545 memory.
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fsb is for benchmark test like 3dmark11 and benchmarks like that. have you tested with anything rather then benchmarks and see any noticeable change in fps or load times. what bottle necks are you talking about.
Throughput on things such as BOINC and F@H drops slightly with lower FSB. Mem throughput goes down slightly, as do synthetics such as Cinebench. Rendering and encoding software also see differences. Even though the differences are small, I may as well have FSB at 250 as opposed to 200 since changing the FSB isn't costing me anything in terms of voltage etc.


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plus with your sig there was no bottleneck in your system unless you have those cards unlocked and overclocked to 1.35v and 1000core/1545 memory.
By bottleneck I meant within the CPU architecture, in this case a 200 bus speed was slowing the memory controller and slightly hindering the FP performance, having a bus speed of 250 increased the speed of those parts and was thus bottlenecking them previously. The AMD architecture is a wonderful thing to play with for this reason. You need to figure out the best settings for everything because everything can be slowing anything else and it takes time and practice to find the best compromise.
Edited by DirektEffekt - 11/8/11 at 5:36pm
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you are using it for just benchmarking rather then gaming and movies and such like that.
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1.525 wow that is alot of voltage my 1090t runs 4ghz at 1.425 you are putting alot of voltage into that cpu you are also damaging it as well since you are putting .1v more then it would need. with a 990fx you should be able to hit 4ghz are 1.4v and 4.2 with 1.45v coretemps have always been buggy on amd systems it is more intended for intel systems i would say use hwmonitor for temps. i would say lower that fsb why are you not taking advantage of the multi if you are just gonna run the fsb taht high that is just plan weird. with that voltage you should be able to high the cpu max at least by 1.5v
bah! i juiced my phenom with 1.8v temps allowing..any voltage is good
 
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you are using it for just benchmarking rather then gaming and movies and such like that.
No, I game and I do 3D rendering, encoding etc. BOINC and F@H are real world uses too. If I see an increase in handbrake (a video encoding program), which I actually use, same goes for Blender, just because it is possible to benchmark with something doesn't mean that it doesn't have practical applications. If I can get an increase in some programs and the same performance in others, for no practical cost, then there is no reason why I shouldn't take advantage of it.

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bah! i juiced my phenom with 1.8v temps allowing..any voltage is good
My thoughts exactly! I will probably keep pushing to around 4.3 or so, temps allowing, of course
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then you stick with your fsb loving and i will stick with the multi til i hit a heat wall which im hitting with the h50 soon i plan to get a custom 420mm setup.
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then you stick with your fsb loving and i will stick with the multi til i hit a heat wall which im hitting with the h50 soon i plan to get a custom 420mm setup.
Ummm... Sure, why not... I do use the multi, but as many people have reported, and as I am experiencing, a little bit of bus clock can go a long way...
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but bus locks mean more and lot of heat will be generated i had an old athlon iix4 630 and i don't want to mess with the fsb ever again. im going to find the hghest clock speed i can get. Plus i want to keep my ram speed at 1600 mhz instead of 1400 to 1500 so i would have a better score in benching since ram freq can add i little higher score.
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but bus locks mean more and lot of heat will be generated i had an old athlon iix4 630 and i don't want to mess with the fsb ever again. im going to find the hghest clock speed i can get. Plus i want to keep my ram speed at 1600 mhz instead of 1400 to 1500 so i would have a better score in benching since ram freq can add i little higher score.
But if you pick the right bus speed you can use your ram at it's rated speed. And I know from my testing that going from 4ghz with 200mhz bus to 4ghz with 250 bus gave me no extra heat or power draw but it increased performance. I could pretty much guarantee that you will get better scores with a higher bus speed. It's always been the case with Phenom IIs.
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coretemps have always been buggy on amd systems it is more intended for intel systems i would say use hwmonitor for temps.
AMD wrote the "Core Temp" equation - no temp sensor is involved. The Core Temp program, core section of HWMonitor, and AMD Overdrive all read this value. It was designed to read resistance and load parameters to accurately monitor peak and load temps, it is not designed for idle temps. The sensor in the socket of the motherboard aka "Socket/CPU Temp" typically reads 7-10C higher than actual temp which is what all BIOS and motherboard software reads from. AMD put the recommended thermal limit for this chip at 62C "Core Temp" and not 60C for extended periods. See guide for more info.

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Its important for you to know, that coretemp reads Thuban's temps wrong. It is about 10-12C too low. I usually set a delta of 12C on thuban systems. It is more accurate that way.
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Coretemp actually accurately picks up the AMD core temperature probe as I have confirmed with multiple other software tools, however I am using Coretemp because I can increase the temp reading by 10c with an offset so it is more accurate. Reading the socket temp from the motherboard gives a temp 5c cooler, leading me to believe that it is quite accurate.
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Don't worry, I have a 10c offset applied
This is a common misconception that has been spread around for years. It was derived from the fact that "Socket/CPU Temp" typically read 10C higher and people made the (incorrect) conclusion that "Core Temp" must be too low, but it's the other way around. AMD recently put that myth to bed by explaining exactly what I've stated above. See my guide for more information and take a look at the sources at the bottom if you are interested.
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