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Well, we can see Intel's typical strategy playing out. Run for better TDP and single threaded performance.

Meanwhile, AMD on the other hand..... yeah.... MOAR COARS!!
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More cores(at this point in time) doesn't equal more speed. Intel knows this, AMD doesn't.

If no one starts making more than 4 cores, no one will support more than 4. More cores is undeniably the way to go, but the software industry is too stuck in the 90s.
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post #23 of 43
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Where is your proof? AMD knows this as well, just look at the Llano chips. Intel has nothing that can keep up with them. AMD came out with a different approach to the same problem with BD, but it seems the Intel campers want to make sure their beloved company always is on top and aid in the propaganda war against AMD at any cost.

To be fair the 8150 is about equal to the 2500k, and AMD's IGPs are excellent. But Intel is the better choice at this point in time for most people.

Now, if you're talking anything that supports the new BD instruction sets (FMA4, CVT16, XOP) -- then Intel is definitely a terribly stupid choice. The problem is that no real world programs besides self-compiled HPC stuff supports them
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Where is your proof? AMD knows this as well, just look at the Llano chips. Intel has nothing that can keep up with them. AMD came out with a different approach to the same problem with BD, but it seems the Intel campers want to make sure their beloved company always is on top and aid in the propaganda war against AMD at any cost.

Your probably the only person on this forum who cares about Llano
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If no one starts making more than 4 cores, no one will support more than 4. More cores is undeniably the way to go, but the software industry is too stuck in the 90s.

No, more cores is not the undeniably the way to go. Most software is simply not very parallelable. Also, it is much harder to test parallel processing due the exponential increasing states.

More cores is a result of power consumption grows exponentially with clock speed and the low-lying fruit of thread processing have been achieved. These two points force chip makers to produce more cores instead of higher clocked or faster cores.

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Well, we can see Intel's typical strategy playing out. Run for better TDP and single threaded performance.
Meanwhile, AMD on the other hand..... yeah.... MOAR COARS!!
Improving single-thread performance is very hard.... more cores is easier.
Edited by DuckieHo - 11/11/11 at 10:04am
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They're also going to have TDP OCable mobile chips for when docked with better cooling.
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They're also going to have TDP OCable mobile chips for when docked with better cooling.

Yup, adjustable TDP.
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To be fair the 8150 is about equal to the 2500k, and AMD's IGPs are excellent. But Intel is the better choice at this point in time for most people.
Now, if you're talking anything that supports the new BD instruction sets (FMA4, CVT16, XOP) -- then Intel is definitely a terribly stupid choice. The problem is that no real world programs besides self-compiled HPC stuff supports them

The point you just made has been stated before, hardware is 95% all the time is always ahead of software, but many just find it easier to blame the hardware (IE all the BD bashers). The specific instruction sets are the real problem here, because since a neutral 3rd party is not setting a "standard" for these sets, AMD, VIA and Intel develop different instruction sets for competitive issues, but 95% of the time software developers go with the Intel based codes since Intel has the dominate market share.
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Your probably the only person on this forum who cares about Llano

It seems to me all you care about is Intel.
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This is a smart move. The theory that more cores makes the chip better for mainstream users is evidently wrong. 2-4 cores is great for now. Hyper-threading helps for the future. By the time that more cores are needed, the current hardware would be crap anyways. 8+ cores now is not going to help later. Look at Q6600 users... ha. What they could have saved could have funded their new dual core (heck, even a quad core) that would have walked over the Q6600.

Not really, at least not until you get into the E8500 and E8600 range where they could push well past 4 ghz. I have one of the first retail E8400s and it struggles to go past 3.6, which was attainable on the G0 Q6600s. Right now, I would rather have the Q6600 than my vintage E8400.
    
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Wouldn't more cores also make it better for mutli-tasking ( not threading? )
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