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post #1 of 18
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Hello,
i'm not sure if this kind of mouse exist but lets give it a try:

-Perfect control speed : ~4m/s*
-No pos. or neg. acceleration*
-No prediction*
-Good coating in sides also*+
-Ambidextrous shaping+
-Low weight+

* Must have
+ Bonus
*+ Not must but certainly good to have


Mousepad

-Fits the mouse above
-Never tryied hard mousepad but I could give it a try doesn't matter
-Atleast 400mm width
-"Good tracking"
post #2 of 18
Thread Starter 
Oh and here is Enotus Mouse Test v0.1.4 I did with my current mouse Razer Deathadder 3.5G if it helps.

Mouse: @msmouse.inf,%hid.mousedevice%;HID-compliant mouse
Model: Deathadder 3.5G
Resolution: 1800 dpi \excellent\
Polling speed: 473 Hz
Max speed: 3.98 m/s (281737 points/s) \excellent\
Precision: 99.9 % (0.07 m/s) \excellent\
Smoothness: 19.1 % \bad\
Debug data: [('508', '1.94'), ('636', '1.97'), ('509', '2.03'), ('509', '2.01'), ('637', '1.99'), ('510', '1.99'), ('639', '2.00'), ('512', '1.99'), ('513', '2.46'), ('642', '1.54')]
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
Anyone?
post #4 of 18
First up I wouldn't trust the Enotus mouse test as it's results are known to be inaccurate a lot. For one that smoothness test doesn't look right as it shouldn't be that value do the the fantastic sensor on the DA (maybe it's your mouse pad). Secondly, even very very low sens players won't surpass the max speed of 4 m/s, and I would think your a high sens player due to your 1800 DPI setting. Now I don't think you should get a hard mouse pad since you don't get nearly enough control with one, and your accuracy might be severely impacted especially with that high DPI. I would highly recommend the Artisan Hayate due to the great reviews it's been getting including this review by HaiiYaa you should check out . It will be available on Amazon in about 5 days and you should go for the large as it's just over your specified 400 mm. Here's the links:

Medium http://www.amazon.com/dp/product/B005HJRJR6
Large http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005HJRVW4

Now onto the mouse. I imagine you have a palm grip since you have the DA but if you think you're more of a claw grip user you should go for the CM Storm Xornet as it's of a very high build quality, has a flawless sensor, and is great overall according to the reviews. I can't speak personally on it except the shape which is apparently identical or at least very similar to the CM Storm SpawN's, which I've owned before but returned since I stupidly thought I could adapt to a claw grip mouse from my usual palm grip (I didn't tongue.gif). You might have heard of the Zowie AM, which is an upcoming mouse with the new ADNS-3090 and it's coming out mid-December in the US. Assuming this mouse won't have any jitter/lift off bug due to the custom lens being made for it to reduce the LOD (The EC1 had these issues+prediction) then it should be a fantastic mouse and will meet all your requirements. If my thoughts were wrong and you are actually a low sens player due to your want for a massive mouse pad then you should def go for the mx300/mx500 from Logitech as they have huge perfect control speeds once overclocked to 1000hz, which they're stable at. Alternatively you could go with the WMO 3.0 or the wheel mouse optical 1.1a (1.1a is ambidextrous and small so better for claw grip). I have also owned the EC1 blue, G400, Xai, and am currently using a Deathadder BE. i don't use the g400 anymore since it has pretty heavy prediction as well as the scroll wheel and it's button requiring too much force to actuate. I don't use the Zowie EC1 anymore due to very noticeable jitter as well as it being hard to lift up, having a lift off bug on everything but the 500 dpi setting, and having noticeable prediction. If you don't like the glossy sides of the DA 3.5g like me just buy the BE. And if your really anal about it's mild inferiority to the original 3G sensor (it staircases on diagonal lines on some pads) then just buy a 3G on Ebay and transplant it's PCB into the Black Edition. Also another upside of the 3G PCB is it accepts red LEDs so you can have really low LOD. Finally something I should have mentioned a while ago: The Razer Abyssus. I'm sure you've heard of it's jittering problems, however they can be easily avoided if you buy the newer model since they have updated firmware with no jitter (as far as I know). I hope I've been helpful and if your looking for reviews on the gear mentioned just run a search on OCN and I'm sure you'll find great reviews smile.gif

P.S.: Hyperglides are the way to go in terms of mouse feet, you can get them at frozencpu.com
    
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post #5 of 18
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Wow, that was complementary answer. I forgot to mention that I am a palm gripper and I use low sensitivity. So I should consider buying mx300/500 or deathadder BE? Is it possible to get new mx300/500 or are they all already used? Also, what kind of coating does that abyssus have? Can you tell how the deathadder BE feels in your opinion? Perfect control speed is the most important thing after all to me.
post #6 of 18
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Anyone knows CM Storm Xornet perfect control speed?
post #7 of 18
I'd go for the mx500 over the mx300 since it's more ergonomic and has side buttons while having the exact same perfect control speed as the mx300 (when overclocked to 1000hz). I found a really cheap one here . Keep in mind the stock skates aren't good at all so you should get some Hyperglides at frozencpu.com as previously said. Additionally you should consider removing the weight inside it, this guide covers it . And yes, mx500s are and have been out of production for a long time, so the only good deals are going to be on used ones as new ones are ridiculously expensive. Now I see that your a low sensitivity player, do you actually play with 1800 DPI? If your playing a game that doesn't use raw input (source engine games have it) then you will experience negative acceleration much earlier on a high DPI. You should adjust your dpi in accordance to your resolution, e.g. if you play ~800x600 use ~400 DPI, then up to 1920x1080 you should use ~900. 1800 DPI isn't even needed on 2560x1600. About the Abyssus, it has these annoying pointy and glossy sides so I'm not sure what you'd think of that. The BE feels fantastic, my hands rarely sweat when using it and it has a great overall coating, gotta love the rubbery sides. Some people say they come off easy but mine haven't in the 4 months I've owned it (they probably cause damage to them from excess sweating). Hope I've helped, I'll check up on this thread later today smile.gif
    
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post #8 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diltsi View Post

Anyone knows CM Storm Xornet perfect control speed?

The search function is your friend, seriously.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1159411/some-xornet-impressions
~3-4m/s depending on the mousepad.
post #9 of 18
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Again an excellent answer smile.gif. I'm playing counter-strike source with m_rawinput 1 if that counts anything. The reason why I'm using 1800dpi is because everyone says that it's the best dpi for get the highest perfect control speed for DA 3.5G. Can you give me some formula for that calculation on resolutions and dpi or did you know that from experience? Maybe I should lower my dpi then because I'm using 1920 x 1080 resolution. About the Abyssus, I'm not going to buy that now that I know it has the same glossy sides. Also I'd rather buy a new mouse so I think I'm not going to buy mx300/500 either. So I'm left with Deathadder BE unless some1 knows good contender for it. Hopefully it will have better perfect control speed than 3.5G because in CSS game, when I put my crosshair onto some random corner and then I slide the mouse slowly from the right side to the left side and after that I make fast swipe back to right side and it doesn't end up in the same place.
post #10 of 18
If you want no +/- accel., you will HAVE to go with an optical mouse sensor. Even if you turn the accel. off on a laser mouse, some still remains. It is a design flaw that is inherited in the laser design. With that being said, and the fact that you want an ambidextrous design, I don't have many suggestions for you. If we can ignore that, the DA3500, MX400 (which is the new MX518, but I don't know if they fixed the prediction issue.), Microsoft 3.0.
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