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I've decided that simply adding mods and expanding gameplay isn't enough for my Skyrim enjoyment. I'm sick of having something which is only slightly better looking than the Xbox version, even with a pack of visual modifications from the Steam Library.

So, whats the best way to go about transforming Skyrim into a more realistic environment? Would downloading the K ENB and its associated binary from Nexus be a good place to start or all I need?
Also, is it compatible with non-visual modifications such as skill tree enhancements and added equipment?
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So, whats the best way to go about transforming Skyrim into a more realistic environment? Would downloading the K ENB and its associated binary from Nexus be a good place to start or all I need?
Also, is it compatible with non-visual modifications such as skill tree enhancements and added equipment?

ENB doesn't conflict with any mods, really. But I wouldnt recommend trying it with "realistic lighting" or climates of tamriel.

I've recently posted a lot of screenshots using K ENB. I interrupted that with a few from TV ENB as well. You can use those screenshots to judge the overall look from those setups...

K ENB is a bit different though. Sure, it will add more realism than vanilla skyrim, but it was never designed around hyper-realism. It adds a lot of color and atmosphere to the game. For a very natural, realistic look, try Superb ENB-RL. It's a big performance heavy though. I would also recommend trying Seasons of Skyrim.

Ultimately, it comes down to preference. You'll likely try out a couple before landing on something you stick with. Be sure to remove EVERY FILE used by each setup before trying another one. Make sure to get the right binary file for whatever version of ENB you're using.
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I've decided that simply adding mods and expanding gameplay isn't enough for my Skyrim enjoyment. I'm sick of having something which is only slightly better looking than the Xbox version, even with a pack of visual modifications from the Steam Library.

So, whats the best way to go about transforming Skyrim into a more realistic environment? Would downloading the K ENB and its associated binary from Nexus be a good place to start or all I need?
Also, is it compatible with non-visual modifications such as skill tree enhancements and added equipment?

ENB settings have no effect whatsoever on non-visual mods like what you described. One thing I must warn you about though, ENB is VERY demanding on the GPU. I don't think your 5770 will be able to take it. I would suggest at the minimum a 6870 or a 560Ti to run a performance-optimized ENB profile at acceptable frame rates and "K ENB" is nowhere near performance-optimized. It is meant for looks and having every feature ENB has to offer enabled. You need a mean as hell card to run that. My 660Ti would be struggling against it. I'm thinking it's more geared for SLI systems.
     
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ENB settings have no effect whatsoever on non-visual mods like what you described. One thing I must warn you about though, ENB is VERY demanding on the GPU. I don't think your 5770 will be able to take it. I would suggest at the minimum a 6870 or a 560Ti to run a performance-optimized ENB profile at acceptable frame rates and "K ENB" is nowhere near performance-optimized. It is meant for looks and having every feature ENB has to offer enabled. You need a mean as hell card to run that. My 660Ti would be struggling against it. I'm thinking it's more geared for SLI systems.

The author of K ENB says he gets 60 FPS with a single 580, and he uses pretty crazy INIs as well. An SLI setup is only necessary if you go higher than 1080p.
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The author of K ENB says he gets 60 FPS with a single 580, and he uses pretty crazy INIs as well. An SLI setup is only necessary if you go higher than 1080p.

I see, well my mistake then. I was going just by his explanation on his Nexus page. biggrin.gif
     
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I seriously doubt that he gets 60 FPS with a single 580. I've been running K ENB all morning and get a cool 30-40 FPS (stock config) indoors. After some modifications, like turning off Indirect Lighting and turn down DoF quality a notch, I'm getting a stable 30 FPS everywhere.

Maybe if Oyama was looking up at the sky then he'd be getting 60 FPS. But with his stock config and a single 580, I doubt he's getting 60 FPS. I may be crazy, but I remember him posting that he runs an SLI 580 rig and gets 45-55 FPS with that. I could be wrong.

Anyways, OT. I absolutely love K ENB. I can't wait to tweak his incredible bloom code. I'd never think of using mostly bloom shaders to bring out colors, I would've still been dealing with saturation filters and the old enbeffect files from HD6.
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Thanks for the info.
Fortunately, the 5770 will only need to render a small resolution (1366x768) rather than 1080p or beyond. I'm considering a 1440p monitor, but that wont be purchased until a substantial graphics upgrade. I will be buying a 8870 when they hit the shelves early(?) this year.


Seasons of Skyrim does look quite good. Might purge my Skyrim mods back to vanilla, and then try the Superb ENB.
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I was wrong. I THOUGHT he had a single 580. This is from his readme:
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"I run 2xGTX580 3 GB each in SLI, and get a constant 50 to 60 FPS with K, vsync on."

SSAO is a big killer. If you disable that, your frames will go way up. Certain optional DoFs will also demand a lot of performance.
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I was wrong. I THOUGHT he had a single 580. This is from his readme:
SSAO is a big killer. If you disable that, your frames will go way up. Certain optional DoFs will also demand a lot of performance.

No biggie, I wasn't trying to prove you wrong or anything. Just wanted to clarify so that people didn't go and download K ENB and then come back complaining that they are getting <50 FPS with their 580/680/7970. thumb.gif

Keep the awesome pictures coming guys. I look forward to seeing what you all can come up with.
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I would suggest at the minimum a 6870 or a 560Ti to run a performance-optimized ENB profile at acceptable frame rates.

 

If you optimize an ENB for performance, you could run one on a HD5770. An optimized ENB would have at most 2-3 FPS loss. You'd just have no special effects like SSAO, Skylighting, DoF, etc. Most old timers here will remember I used to run a CrossFireX rig with 2xHD5770's. Back when Skyrim was first released CrossFireX was poorly supported (and I think it still isn't supported properly by ENB) and I used to run Gionights old 0.102 Tatsudoshi ENB on a HD5770 (I had to disable SSAO and we had no other effects back then like DoF etc). With optimization it's easily done on the one card.

 

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SSAO is a big killer. If you disable that, your frames will go way up. Certain optional DoFs will also demand a lot of performance.

 

Definitely. You're looking a good 15-20FPS hit right there with some configurations. Skylighting and Shadowfix can also impact performance.

The thing with ENB is that all the little 1-2 FPS performance decreases from each effect soon mounts up! What's great about newer binaries is that we have the GUI to easily measure FPS as we tweak the ini. Just wish we had such a tool for enbeffect and enbprepass. Shame SSAO requires a restart to see differences also.


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