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post #11 of 24
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The original question was not whether or not you would like an itx gaming rig, but rather if you had/wanted one what features apart from matx support would you want. I'm starting to think this would have been better posted in the SFF build section. But I personally think that only one pci slot and a lower overclock are pretty alright tradeoffs for less than half the volume of even small matx case.

Edit: Btw if you want a case built for matx from the ground up have a look at the silverstone ft03. Your not gonna get that much smaller than that for a matx case for gaming.
Edited by ruairi - 11/12/11 at 12:58am
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post #12 of 24
i would love an ITX rig. as i see massive potential for a lightweight mobile powerhouse that you could fit in your backpack. paired with a quality ~20 inch monitor i think would be perfect for LANS among other things.

as far as a case goes. i would want good cable management, but i feel that could be overcome with a fully modular PSU with custom length cables and a decent design for airflow.

im not talking HAF-X class airflow but enough to not turn the case into an easybake oven.

i would say room for atleast 2 120mm fans would be sufficient and ventilated panels so both 120mm fans could be intake for a positive pressure setup.
Edited by hxcnero - 11/12/11 at 1:42am
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post #13 of 24
Ruairi, if you decide to take off with this, you let me know. Would love to help come up with a design and even purchase something no one else has. I love my ITX rig and have a few good ideas
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Seriously? You want to know my desires for ITX? Okay...

Throw air cooling out the window; who cares about air cooling? Just because I want an ITX system, doesn't mean I don't want genuine water cooling for the whole thing. CPU and GPU both have to be water cooled.

Give me a case that is 21cm wide, 24 cm high, and 40cm deep.
- Lay the mainboard horizontal at the rear of the case. Centered. Mount it on a 3cm riser tray. 2 PCI slots.
- Give me one 200mm fan in the roof, center.
- Give me one 200mm fan at the front.
- Give me space above it for a slim, slot in optical drive, completely stealth.
- Give me a front, floor-mounted PSU, about eight centimeters back from the actual front of the case.
- Give me one HDD rack right behind it, capable of holding four drives (2SSD, 2HDD).

Build the whole thing from aluminum. No steel, no damned plastic. Two clean side panels, no ventilation, no windows. We will add those ourselves, and don't need a manufacturer destroying them for us.
Edited by Earthmonger - 11/12/11 at 4:34am
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by Earthmonger View Post

Seriously? You want to know my desires for ITX? Okay...
Throw air cooling out the window; who cares about air cooling? Just because I want an ITX system, doesn't mean I don't want genuine water cooling for the whole thing. CPU and GPU both have to be water cooled.
Give me a case that is 21cm wide, 24 cm high, and 40cm deep.
- Lay the mainboard horizontal at the rear of the case. Centered. Mount it on a 3cm riser tray. 2 PCI slots.
- Give me one 200mm fan in the roof, center.
- Give me one 200mm fan at the front.
- Give me space above it for a slim, slot in optical drive, completely stealth.
- Give me a front, floor-mounted PSU, about eight centimeters back from the actual front of the case.
- Give me one HDD rack right behind it, capable of holding four drives (2SSD, 2HDD).

Have you tried working this out in a CAD program at all? Thought I'd test the feasibility of your specifications, so... here's my attempt in Sketchup, going by your description:
1.
LG3RV.jpg

I'm not sure if this is the power supply orientation you intended, but it was only one of two ways it fits 8cm from the front with the HDDs behind it.
Problems:
1.) HDDs significantly overhang the motherboard, possibly conflicting w/CPU cooler. Also might conflict w/top radiator.
2.) HDDs in this orientation have very little room for SATA plugs, limited to right angled only (if that).
3.) PSU in this orientation limited to 140mm long at most (really no room for cables at the ends)


2.
Second PSU orientation according to your specs:
RFpr0.jpg

This orientation allows more space for the PSU (160mm shown) + cables, but blocks more airflow. Might also conflict with a top-mounted radiator. Issues #1 and #2 with the HDDs still exist here.


3.
Alternate PSU orientation (PSU fan facing up or down); distance from front is less than your spec and HDDs are above rather than behind the PSU:
Ij3ea.jpg

This configuration alleviates the HDD overhang and allows more space for SATA plugs, but we have the PSU length problem again.


4.
I'm not sure what you had in mind for watercooling, but this is what it looks like with a Phobya 200mm rad on the top fan:
Xw66v.jpg

Moved the SSDs to side-by-side here to allow the HDDs to drop down to give enough room for the rad. Note a 200mm rad won't fit in front; the Phobya is 5mm taller than the entire case height.


5.
Opposite side view, showing a full coverage GPU block:
O4tVb.jpg

As you can see, the space between the ports and the rad is pretty tight; some blocks may have problems fitting.


6.
Overhead view showing the PSU length issue:
M3EBE.jpg

Clearly, there is very little space at either end for the necessary cables. The SG07 is 222mm wide - 12mm wider than your spec, which may be about the minimum for a 140mm long PSU.


7.
Overhead view with the PSU turned:
SdzCc.jpg

This gives us a bit more space for cables and perhaps a longer PSU. Note the most powerful 140mm long PSUs are 700-750W (notwithstanding the discontinued, likely over-rated 1KW Thermaltake in the model).

I'm guessing you were hoping for more power supply length options than this allows for. Curious if you had any ideas about that?

Usually this stuff works out better in your head than it does in reality... doing mockups in Sketchup or similar can really help ironing it out.


As to the original question posed in this thread, personally I'm a bit tired of the "shoebox" style. There are already quite a few of those on the market and their footprint isn't really that small. I wouldn't mind seeing more miniature tower-style cases. Watercooling seems a bit impractical, both for space considerations and the fact that ITX rigs are more likely to be used in e.g. LAN gaming situations or otherwise moved more frequently, and therefore be more subjected to jostling and vibration which WC systems may be more susceptible to. I would except sealed WC units (Corsair Hydro series etc.) from that however, which can definitely be employed for optimal cooling while maintaining a small form factor. IMO there's not much point going ITX if it's as large a MATX build.
post #16 of 24
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post #17 of 24
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Thanks for that Subtec, I'm working on a sketchup model at the moment to show some of my ideas. But the reality is that even with a watercooled overclocked 6990 and overclocked 2500k/2600k you not going to need a1000w powersupply a 750 or even 650 would be absolutely fine for that config.
Edit: I reccomend everybody has a look at the phinx nano tower build it's pretty awesome. Just google it because I dont think its on OCN.
Edited by ruairi - 11/12/11 at 2:27pm
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But the reality is that even with a watercooled overclocked 6990 and overclocked 2500k/2600k you not going to need a1000w powersupply a 750 or even 650 would be absolutely fine for that config.

Oh, I agree with you there. It's just that once you go below 160mm long, the number of available power supplies drops significantly. In particular, there are very few modular PSUs less than 160mm.
post #19 of 24
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So I'll target either an included powersupply or space for one of at least 160mm. One question regarding powersupply length, how much space should I allow for cables?
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post #20 of 24
Probably not less than 20-25mm. I haven't actually measured how tight you can get the cables on a modular PSU; you'd probably want to do that to make sure. And of course, keep in mind you'll want to allow some extra room somewhere to stuff the excess cable.
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