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i checked his other post realizing that he was a very new member.
saw that he was trying to buy a P4 off of the archived For Sale section doh.gif
you're totally right though.
i suppose, the more eyes able to appreciate SFF, the better.
too many people are naive of form factor when building their first systems.
all of the real mainstream stuff out there (mainly being the lower end of cases) is outfitted for an ATX motherboard.
most however aren't even equipped well enough to take advantage of one.
most people additionally dont even need an ATX form-factor machine.
it makes me sad when i see people running off on their builds when they could've built a similairly priced or perhaps even cheaper box for the half the size and comparable functionality :l
and then of course, mia strolls in with an epic, watercooled monster the size of a toaster >_>
that's what i call an appropriate use of space tongue.gif

The problem is that when first-time builders start their builds, they go with what is already provided in many guides/suggestions, meaning no SFF. I also feel like it takes some expertise to get everything to fit and work in a SFF build versus a standard full/mid-tower build, where everything is just plug and play.

Even though I've been getting more familiar with my first build in the few years I've had it (going to start my first WCing loop soon), I still find SFF somewhat difficult to desire or complete. Especially when many SSF builds tend to need modding experience to make big components fit like a jigsaw puzzle.
    
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"Jigsaw" is a bit dramatic smile.gif If you follow the specs of an SFF case, then you can usually build it just fine, even as a beginner. You only need to mod if you want to ignore some of the manufacturer's recommendations, like GPU or PSU size, extra drives or type of cooling. With Miah's build, he used the case more as a size guide, ignoring all of the standard mounting except for the optical drive.
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post #53 of 70
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The problem is that when first-time builders start their builds, they go with what is already provided in many guides/suggestions, meaning no SFF. I also feel like it takes some expertise to get everything to fit and work in a SFF build versus a standard full/mid-tower build, where everything is just plug and play.
Even though I've been getting more familiar with my first build in the few years I've had it (going to start my first WCing loop soon), I still find SFF somewhat difficult to desire or complete. Especially when many SSF builds tend to need modding experience to make big components fit like a jigsaw puzzle.

this build log is about as close to an ITX gamer build template as I can find. the layout of the Asrock ITX board has not changed so you can easily put an asrock Z68 board in there and everything else would also fit.

essentially you can build a 2600k + 7970 + 16 gigs of ram(2x8gig) + SSD and a storage drive + enough cooling for the system + powersupply strong enough to push all that in a case this size

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Hey guys, thanks for the bump...

I'd like to remind everyone that this was the third generation of my concept.

It started with a very simple plug and play type design that was affordable, and still very powerful.

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The second generation was a bit more involved, but still only required a minimum amount of case modding.

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This third one was really an exercise in taking the SG05/06 case design to the absolute limits....I think it was a success, but its not for everyone wink.gif

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My God, your SFF builds are amazing!
Especially loving the SG05, with the GTX 480, and Corsair Hydro.
Looks very neat and clean with so much crammed in such a small case.
After seeing what you did with the SG05, I'm convinced on getting it for a budget gaming rig with an i3 2100.
+REP to you

P.S. How long did it take to sleeve and cut down the cables?
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Sorry, Miahallen I think I am going to have to steal that psu/rad idea. Always seemed like a fan gone to waste on a machine. tongue.gif
     
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Thanks for that link psyclum, it does change my perspective on SFF builds, but doesn't sway me into building one. As nice as it is for space saving, I don't think there are ITX boards that support crossfire/SLI plus I still think full-sized ATX boards have more to offer in terms of component quality and features. Though I would love to try building a SFF rig once I'm older/graduated and have more money to spend freely.
    
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Thanks for that link psyclum, it does change my perspective on SFF builds, but doesn't sway me into building one. As nice as it is for space saving, I don't think there are ITX boards that support crossfire/SLI plus I still think full-sized ATX boards have more to offer in terms of component quality and features. Though I would love to try building a SFF rig once I'm older/graduated and have more money to spend freely.

the question you should ask yourself is do you actually need or can afford a SLi/Xfire configuration? smile.gif most people want the "option" for 2 vid cards, but they never actually follow through with it since a newer card can often do the job of 2 older cards w/o the extra power and noise costs.

it may be that you aren't ready for ITX yet, but there is still 1 step between ITX and full ATX biggrin.gif that is mATX form factor. there are plenty of maximus gene-z based machines out there that would go head to head with any of the top end machines of any form factor:D whether you are looking at overclocking or xfire/SLi, the gene-z is something to be reckoned with smile.gif

as for a case suitable for the gene Z, both the arc miNi and TJ08-E are top contenders in that form factor.
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I believe the word I am looking for is: DAYUMMMM!

Nice work man!
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Using the PSU fan on the radiator.
Clever.
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