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yay for another freaking socket change...... how many has it been since LGA775(which lasted for a few platforms)..... make up your mind damn it
1155 only came out not too long ago and its already being phased out

if you are even slightly bothered at the MB change, you probably don't really need a CPU upgrade.

2 year socket life is fine with me, as i'm switching builds every 4 years
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this, I upgraded and got socket killed only 6 months after. no where to go now. intel needs to take a nod from AMD and keep some kind of processor upgrade on a socket for at least two years time while releasing new sockets and chips

1155 - 2 Years lifespan
1366 - 3+ years Lifespan

Why would intel want to take a page out of Amd's book? Amd is in shambles and competes against the Core 2 Quad while Intel is dominating the market.

Don't like innovation and change? Buy Amd
Want the best? Buy Intel
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so should i buy a laptop now with sandy or wait for ivy??will it be good priced like this((http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152301)) plus this has a 3gb GTX570
     
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yay for another freaking socket change...... how many has it been since LGA775(which lasted for a few platforms)..... make up your mind damn it
1155 only came out not too long ago and its already being phased out

1155 is almost a year old and was released 1-9-11. It'll be 2 years old when Haswell gets released in 2013. The pin out are different so they had to change. Would you rather them kept the same socket and not increased IPC or added new features?

 

They could, if they wanted to.

 

And you're saying there wasn't increased IPC between a Pentium 4 and Core 2 Duo? Both use the same socket and 2 years is nothing.

 

You have 20 or so PCIe lanes, dual channel DDR3, the VDDC pins, ground and a few misc pins, most of it could easily be platform agnostic. But it's not for whatever reason, I think Intel should just make a Socket 1200 that has future proofing (eg. 6x DVI ports, etc) and stick with that. Not that they will.

 


 

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yay for another freaking socket change...... how many has it been since LGA775(which lasted for a few platforms)..... make up your mind damn it
1155 only came out not too long ago and its already being phased out

Intel has the mindset of one platform for performance, one for mainstream. Changing sockets per architecture allows them more freedom, and has less customer confusion. Hell, I work with the stuff am I'm not 100% sure about AMD's chipset compatibility.

Why be stubborn and make thing difficult for everyone when you can just upgrade?

 

In terms of chipsets there's no problem, an nForce4 would theoretically work with a Bulldozer due to HTT being backwards compatible, just like a 990FX would work with an Athlon64.

It's more the sockets (939, AM2, AM2+, AM3, AM3+) that are confusing but the latest chips generally work across AM2+ or above.

 


 

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Originally Posted by czin125 View Post

How much increase in IPC is Haswell expected to have over SB/IB?



iirc most of Haswell is actually geared towards power saving.

 


 

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P55 was bad because it only has 1 Generation. P67 in the other had getting both SB and IVY is perfectly fine. Personally i dont want to keep same MB for 3 different CPU.


I wouldn't with any of the P55 or P67 boards I've seen either, but if Intel had kept with 775 for a bit longer I wouldn't have said no to the EP45-UD3R. (Apart from s775s inherent problems)

 


 

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Originally Posted by SOCOM_HERO View Post

this, I upgraded and got socket killed only 6 months after. no where to go now. intel needs to take a nod from AMD and keep some kind of processor upgrade on a socket for at least two years time while releasing new sockets and chips

1155 - 2 Years lifespan
1366 - 3+ years Lifespan

Why would intel want to take a page out of Amd's book? Amd is in shambles and competes against the Core 2 Quad while Intel is dominating the market.

Don't like innovation and change? Buy Amd
Want the best? Buy Intel


Actually, if you use the new instructions Bulldozer can beat Sandy Bridge in IPC by quite a bit. Not that it means it's a good chip for consumers, unless you compile everything from scratch. Not that I'd expect you to admit that.

And the socket changes mean nothing for performance, the socket only has the VDDC+, ground, display out, PCIe, DMI, etc pins. Most of which mean nothing between CPUs.

    
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I AM SO MAD INTEL.

Goodbye Intel, welcome AMD and Bulldozer!
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Haswell is where my money is smile.gif.
 
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Wouldnt the best 'Maximize design reuse' be to stick with LGA1155?
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Actually, if you use the new instructions Bulldozer can beat Sandy Bridge in IPC by quite a bit. Not that it means it's a good chip for consumers, unless you compile everything from scratch. Not that I'd expect you to admit that.
And the socket changes mean nothing for performance, the socket only has the VDDC+, ground, display out, PCIe, DMI, etc pins. Most of which mean nothing between CPUs.

A car with 8 gear rations can get better mileage than a car with only 6... Intel doesn't support XOP and FMA4 so it's a moot point.

Even if they did support it, Intel's implementation would be superior just as it is with FMA3.
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im coming from LGA1366 and i find it hard to choose a platform with intel announcing new ones every 6month-1yr

sure i dont mind a new platform every 2 years with new features but its difficult to choose platforms when you are offered ether mainstream or extreme and stick to one and you cant move between them without a total platform change(mobo , cpu , ram). it makes upgrading a pain unlike the old days where you just drop a better CPU if you want more grunt
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Inb4 "Guess I'm skipping Ivy and waiting for Haswell"
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