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Originally Posted by JDA,ugosz View Post

Water self-ionizes, so even DI water will gradually return to normal. The implication in class was that it needed to be fairly freshly drawn from the DI machine, so probably on the scale of hours or days. I found a link, so I'll have to read that to find out if that's the case or just lab superstition.
"Chemically pure water has an electrical conductivity of 0.055 µS·cm−1"
so 18.18181818 megaohms is what I would expect for electrodes placed 1cm apart.

That makes sense. 1cm seems like a logical distance to test with. And the water is freshly distilled and deionized at my work. There is a giant distillation setup in the basement. It frequently has issues and seems to break down every 6 weeks or so. There are also issues with people in other labs accidentally leaving the tap running and using up all the DI water for a few hours. I usually keep a few liters in glass bottles in case I need some when the system is down.
    
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That makes sense. 1cm seems like a logical distance to test with.

It doesn't mean that it literally uses a cell 1cm wide. It might be a little speck integrated into a silicon chip. Rather, that is the unit in which they are expressing the result: Ω per cm.

Another effect, once the distilled water is drawn, is that it dissolves air. The pH will become more acid as it absorbs carbon dioxide, and it will also contain some amount of oxygen.
Edited by JDA,ugosz - 11/17/11 at 11:55pm
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I think that silver and/or PT nuke are causing problems with some batches of nickel plating. These are mainly used in distilled water, and while this is a great biocide, there are normally no anti-corrosives to stop the mixed metals (silver/ptnuke and nickel) from causing conflicts. I believe that's why the corrosion and biological inhibitors are recommended, and that's why we aren't seeing nickel plating problems with people using these inhibitors (which are normally in the recommended coolants).

I can NOT find a case of nickel coming off that doesn't have to do with distilled water/silver/pt (one EK block using feser had an issue, I think). Specifically though, I'm searching for a case where nickel plating is coming off, while using the liquid that the manufacturer recommends. Maybe manufacturers aren't recommending their coolant JUST because they want sales?

If EK really had a nickel plating "issue" then it's hard to place blame on specific liquids in those cases, but as far as the Koolance nickel problems, it seems like it is ALL distilled/silver/PTnuke.

This just seems like a solution to a lot of issues seen. What else is causing only the blocks using DI water to have plating issues?

It could really be coincidence or even that most people use water, so more chances that they would have the issues.. But that's why I'm asking.

Thoughts?
Edited by lol12ek - 11/18/11 at 9:49am
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I don't know if its really killcoil+ ptnukes fault for the nickel issues. I have old EK 4890 nickel blocks that ran fine for 2 years with a kill coil+ptnuke combo, which I never drained and cleaned during those two years only topped off every now and then.
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In case you're wondering how bad dye gunk could look: check my first pic
http://www.overclock.net/t/1116233/cleaning-cpu-block-gone-awry

Should've taken a pic with the jet-plate still on it, can't imagine that his flow was any good ... I was shocked and very pissed at the same time

Like others have said: Distilled water (it's cheap, easy to find and performs the same or better than premixed) + Silver kill coil (Just put it in your loop and forget about it, will probably last longer than you so put it in your testament so your (grand-)children can enjoy WC'ing tongue.gif ).
If you want colour, go with coloured tubing. It isn't more expensive IIRC and there are UV-reactive ones out there.

EDIT: Oh and that dye stuff really goes everywhere. You have to disassemble everything and clean it if you want to sell/ go with an other colour. And I've heard some low-quality ones stain the tubing over time.
Edited by Bloitz - 11/18/11 at 12:32pm
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post #26 of 62
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Like others have said: Distilled water (it's cheap, easy to find and performs the same or better than premixed) + Silver kill coil (Just put it in your loop and forget about it, will probably last longer than you so put it in your testament so your (grand-)children can enjoy WC'ing tongue.gif ).

Very true for bare copper loops, but it seems not the case with some users with nickel plating, based on issues found with nickel loss (in other threads and forums).

I'm curious as to exactly what was being used? That looks bad! I have no gunking or stains (my experience is limited to blue Koolance liquid), and my nickel looks like it did when it was brand new.
Edited by lol12ek - 11/18/11 at 4:39pm
post #27 of 62
the problem with saying it's distilled water + silver/ptnuke is that it would of happened with the first nickel plated blocks and everyone ever produced even when EK had the problem it wasn't all thier blocks, and so the only conclussion is there was something wrong with those blocks effected eg bad prep. And tbh I think if ek would of handeled it better these type of threads wouldn't exist


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the link in my sig will save you money on overpriced biocide, ive been using a couple drops for well over 2 years now, works the same with no ill effect
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$20 a bottle? what you need is..Prestone and distilled water biggrin.gif 50/50 or 70/30 (ethylene glycol)
 
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$20 a bottle? what you need is..Prestone and distilled water biggrin.gif 50/50 or 70/30 (ethylene glycol)

or you can run to a pool shop and pay $10 for 8L of the stuff in my sig.
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