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So true, But trolls will troll... On all sides.
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Originally Posted by black96ws6 View Post

Then there was something wrong with your 1090T system, drivers, etc.
I think I understand where Balla is coming from.
The problem is, people like yourself, Unity100, et al, are so intent on defending AMD\Bulldozer, that you would even recommend it to a new user on here asking for help.
Let me ask you something. And Unity100, and the rest of you defending it, and anyone else that's pro-Bulldozer, feel free to chime in -
If someone came to you and said, "I have $300 or less to spend on a CPU. Which one should I get?"
If your answer is Bulldozer, your head is not on straight.

If someone here asks about BD then I will give it to them straight. If they are on the fence about AMD vs Intel I will tell them do your homework. I'm not going to force anyone to buy something that they might not want. In the end it is the buyer's choice. BUT, what I have a problem with is people like you, Balla, 2010rig that CONTINUALLY trash these threads with Intel this or Intel that or AMD lied to us or AMD sucks crap that adds NOTHING to the discussion except to cause problems, PERIOD. Look at the BD owners thread. People could not read the title saying it was for BD owners only, yet the Intel camp kept trolling that thread, but lately it has been pretty good without those people trolling the thread. mad.gif
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If someone here asks about BD then I will give it to them straight. If they are on the fence about AMD vs Intel I will tell them do your homework. I'm not going to force anyone to buy something that they might not want. In the end it is the buyer's choice. BUT, what I have a problem with is people like you, Balla, 2010rig that CONTINUALLY trash these threads with Intel this or Intel that or AMD lied to us or AMD sucks crap that adds NOTHING to the discussion except to cause problems, PERIOD. Look at the BD owners thread. People could not read the title saying it was for BD owners only, yet the Intel camp kept trolling that thread, but lately it has been pretty good without those people trolling the thread. mad.gif

I think part of the problem is also the way AMD handled the whole situation. The whole thing with the continual delays, "no benchmarks until release", releasing Motherboards well in advance, and hyping the CPU, when they knew what they had, turned a lot of people off, myself included. We should have seen the writing on the wall, but I was one of those willing to give AMD the benefit of the doubt.

I am a former AMD owner as well. Actually I still have my 1090T system, it's just been moved upstairs now and is no longer my main rig.

I waited and waited and held off on upgrading thinking BD would be much better than it turned out to be, when if I'd just known the truth, I could've upgraded to SB many months ago and saved a lot of time. I'm really glad I didn't get a 990fx board like some people did in anticipation.

I think Balla (and to a lesser extent myself) just wants to make sure people don't get caught in the same situation and make the same mistake.

For example, yes your 570\6950\6970 might run fine in BD now, but what if you want to upgrade to SLI\Crossfire in the future? If you went with BD, you just wouldn't have the best experience, and I think, when it boils down to it, that's all we're trying to prevent.

For those of you that want to OC BD and play around with it, have fun, enjoy! But just don't post on here recommending the chip as the best choice for a newbie and not expect people chiming in to set the record straight...
post #274 of 276
Exactly.

If AMD had been honest with potential buyers (instead of telling us IPC improved over Thuban, claiming true benchmarks to be false, etc), I would definitely give them a chance and support them by buying an FX. I have bought numerous AMD products over the years, even when Intel offered slightly better performance. But this time it's just too much.

I am, however, still supporting them in graphics, as seen with my current card. However, if they ever pull a "bulldozer" in a future gpu release, that just might drive me to Nvidia as well.
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Originally Posted by Heavy MG View Post

Nope, Intel isn't evil at all.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=intel+antitrust
http://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=49

I'd rather have a company that's evil towards its competitors, and nice towards its customers, than the other way around.

Or put it this way - If AMD bribed a bunch of OEMs to not buy Intel, and put hidden codes to cripple Intel, BUT, offered an FX-8150 that:
  • Is +20% IPC over SB
  • OC 10% higher
  • Uses 40% less power
  • Released on time, or atleast a single delay that's announced ahead of time
  • No false claims regarding benchmarks

Guess what chip I would've bought?
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Enough already. Thread locked because nobody can apparently discuss Bulldozer without it turning into this mess. I'm going to clean the mess up, but don't expect this to get reopened again.
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