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Each platform has a limited lifespan and the question that enthusiasts and consumers should ask themselves is which one offers the features and the lifespan that they seek. They should also ask themselves what roadmap they want to follow and how often they are willing to upgrade. Then they should also analyze the price/performance of a platform in addition to seeking alternatives from different vendors (AMD/Intel).
Each platform has it's advantages and disadvantages but in reality we can see that the X79 aside from SB-E support and Quad Channel memory support is basically a rebranded X58 chipset with certain features from P67/Z68. So in reality X79 doesn't even compare to the X58 platform launch in terms of features/press/model lineup etc...
I see no point in continuing this discussion when you grossly distort and exaggerate my words.
IB = 22nm Die Shrink on LGA1155 Z68/P67 + Z77.
3930K= 32nm Sandy Bridge Enthusiast on X79 on LGA2011.

The lifespan you're talking about is in the upgrade paths. We all know how Intel rolls, there are no surprises there. Just because SB or SB-E has come out doesn't mean our current gear is less functional.

Anyone on Sandy Bridge is pretty set for a while, especially if they're gaming, regardless of what new sockets come out in the future. In fact, 1155 has an upgrade path to IB processors, and I'm sure IB-E will be compatible with LGA 2011.

I didn't originally go for a 980X because quite frankly, my budget was $2000. Since I'm not a gamer, and can / will utilize those 6 cores, let's consider my upgrade options,

Option 1 - Buy a used 990X for $500 ( I've yet to see any though, most are going for $700 - $800 )

Option 2 - Sell my CPU + MOBO + RAM for $500 and spend $500 towards 3930K + MOBO + 16 GB RAM.

Option 2 is obviously much more attractive. A 3930K build will last 3 years EASILY.

I waited for Bulldozer and we all know how that turned out, so a 3930K build makes sense.

My only beef right now is in not knowing when rev 2 motherboards are coming out, and if they'll have the 14 promised SATA ports. On the flip side of that coin, they're really not necessary right now considering how expensive hard drives are and will be until March.

My exaggerated point was that you can't always sit and wait for the next best thing, there's ALWAYS something new coming out in the next 6 - 12 months.
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You wana know why they did that? So they can make more money as usual, the "mainstream" is computer illiterate. I.E. Oh the new intel processor is out, its faster and has more cores than the previous (not entirely a lie), I must have it. Also a lot of people are afraid to overclock / don't even know the term which is why you would buy their step up because they already OCed it for you. Intel could care less about people like us, if anything they'd probably want to get rid of us so we don't tell the people you can get way more out of your chip than the company is letting on. I feel like all companies are like this in general not a hate towards intel.
I applaud intel for being a beast, but i throw my ***** at them for thinking they could release something like this for so much more money.

It all boils down to this. Everyone complaining about the price want it but just can't afford it. 600 dollars is not a lot of money to someone out of colllege with a good job. Plain and simple.
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^ I wish we would have your prices smile.gifthumb.gif
 
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^ I wish we would have your prices smile.gifthumb.gif

Whats the exchange rate? Paypal me the cash and i'll ship you one wink.gif
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Whats the exchange rate? Paypal me the cash and i'll ship you one wink.gif

Hey DK, when you getting your Xeon?
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Now I only have to wait for ivy bridge, done with AMD for now. Ivy looks promising tongue.gif
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Hey DK, when you getting your Xeon?

It'll be here today. No board yet unfortunately
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I will bear that in mind when Haswell comes out thumb.gif
 
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Yeah, I'll be passing on this. We'll see what's going on in April 2012.
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Performing the same is essentially what it is. I cannot see how 1-2% can be considered a significant difference when it is negligible at best. That means they perform the same with a negligible advantage towards Sandy Bridge Enthusiast. Arguing that 1-2% is a difference that is more than negligible is an irrelevant and moot point. It's not contradictory because that's what it is. Combined with NF200 the difference becomes completely irrelevant. The fact is that x8 / x8 isn't being saturated to give credit or merit to your argument.

The same would be 0%. Rounding down to zero is not a choice when the performance difference between some GPUs and CPUs is less than 10%. My point was that this difference will increase over time as we see the limitations of NF200 compared to native bandwidth support. Relating to dual card setups, even if we don't take the review I posted into account it is inevitable that x8/x8 will be saturated by future cards.

On a slightly different topic, the 6 cores will help in heavily threaded games like RTS’s and maybe even future games (far future?).
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Down the road it won't matter because by then we will be seeing Haswell in addition to Z77 and other architectures/chipsets/platforms/sockets. The reality is that if you discuss down the road then you will understand that the lifespan of the LGA2011 X79 platform will be questionable at best after Ivy Bridge Enthusiast. In the past 3 years we have seen over 4 sockets emerge from Intel (LGA1366/LGA1156/LGA1155/LGA2011). Therefore LGA2011's existence and lifespan is questionable at best after Ivy Bridge Enthusiast.

The sockets are not successors to one another so it's really 2 sockets in parrallel. The 1366/2011 and 1156/1155 are part of different market segments offering a different amount of features as well as some variation in the CPUs. I don't see how the LGA2011 is any more questionable than any other Intel socket.

Also, socket life is not what I mean by longevity. I use longevity in terms of how long the same CPU can perform its job in a predefined performance margin over time. To say a CPU will be inadequate in 2 years depends on what you define as inadequate. After 3 years we have seen a 15-20% increase in IPC that doesn't completely translate to a performance boost in games. We can't predict the performance of nonexistent architectures and say the increase in IPC will remain the same after each new generation. We have already seen how the increase in IPC can be overshadowed by the ability to take advantage of a multi-threaded environment which is the reason for the whole core count race. I don't think we should underestimate the possible performance benefit of having more cores unless there is a radical change in software optimization.
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It also doesn't matter how much you invest in a system to 'futureproof' because the industry operates on a 3-6 Month refresh basis. That means incremental upgrades are actually the smarter/logical choice rather than doing major overhauls every couple of years. In addition you do not take into account the devaluation that occurs exponentially on computer parts especially when trying to 'futureproof'. 'Futureproofing' is a myth and a false paradigm.

Absolute 'future proofing' is a myth but there is such a thing as prolonging an upgrade. For most people an upgrade every year is not possible and/or not necessary (a par for par upgrade would be closer to a year if you don't jump between competitors). If everyone adopted this methodology than computer parts would depreciate a lot faster making an upgrade an even harder transition.

For hardware value you are right that it does depreciate, but the change in value isn’t truly exponential. It depends mostly on events and the performance of newer hardware. Usually, after each new generation is released the pervious gen's hardware drops in value depending on the performance of the new generation. By the second gen, the older hardware might reach a lower steady state rate also depending on the performance compared to the current gen. Since the top of the line hardware often has the worst price/performance its steady state rate is farther away making it depreciate faster. With this is mind an upgrade a year makes more sense for an upgrade fanatic. If you are a long term system builder that performs upgrades longer than 2 years apart (about two generations with today’s trend) than there isn’t much incentive to upgrade sooner. The major incentive comes from software optimization reaching its limits for older hardware.

I understand you are making a case for the cheaper option with a smaller upgrade period. I’m simply making my case that the longer term; more expensive option is still viable. When performed correctly both options can be good ones. It’s really up to the individual to choose which option is best for them.
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