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Don't worry, be happy. Honestly. It's your money, you can do what ever you want with it. But I understand why you are saying that. I know it can be annoying, but don't try to convince those that don't agree with you to agree with you. They never will. And don,t seek their approval. You will never get it. wink.gif
Just like you, and like ALOT of other people, I'm anxiously awaiting my 3930k and Rampage IV, and couldn't care less about what other people think about what I'm buying. I don't need anyone's approval. I buy things for me, not for them. biggrin.gif
Never let other people decide for you. Make your own decisions, then be happy with them. Have fun with your new system. smile.gif

I've gotten a lot of PM's about this and, I'm not attacking you guys at all...It's your money...Hell, I'm an admin for a company that 90% of you actually, hate...So, I understand your position very well.

My issue is how this platform was advertised.

It is //NOT// an enthusiast platform.

I say that for multiple reasons:

1) 6 cores are not used by ANY retail software outside of CAD.
2) The core itself is NOT a good overclocker.
3) For encoding/Rendering, this core is a champion.
4) Even while gaming OC'd this core does //not// equal the performance of SB.

The above 1-4 are the results of our testing this sample rigorously for 3 months...Have rotated in/out 10 different 3930k's, same results...

If this platform had been advertised as a workstation, I would be 100% satisfied because clearly, at it's price-point, that's what it is...But, for the enthusiast market? No.

6 cores don't even optimize in 3/4 of the current benches out there...What are you going to compete in? Heaven 24/7/365?

At the end of the day it is your money, do with it as you want...I just don't think advertising this platform to the enthusiast was at all acceptable.
Edited by Masked - 11/16/11 at 6:17am
post #82 of 96
Like someone said on OCN (don't remember who) these chip are 8 core xeon w/ 2 disabled core.
And you're right, it's more a cheap (compared to a dual Xeon) workstation CPU than a mainstream one. I particularly love how at non OC speed the 3930K/X3960 are above a 990x, especially with a 3930K since the 990x cost $500 more than the K (a least here ine Canada).
And when OCed they tackle dual Xeon (especially X5650) in multithreaded apps.

Just a point, multithreaded apps aren't limited in CAD domain.

All these discussions remember me when dual CPUs began to be released to consumer market ( i owned a dual PII/300Mhz and a dual PIII/500Mhz w/ Tyan motherboards) and again people said there was no use of that.
8 years ago there's many more multithreaded apps, and multitask working is common now.
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post #83 of 96
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Nice. thumb.gif I'll have to do some research on the UD5. What do you think of the EVGA boards? I've never owned one before.

I'll never own another EVGA board.

Little history on that.

Socket 775 with my Q6600.
Ordered 780i on release date because 680i was an awesome board.
Had 1st board 8 months, died. RMA'd
Got 2nd board, 6 months died. RMA'd
Got 3rd board, sold it. Computer shop bought it, put it in their own computer and died within 7 days.
Never again will I buy an EVGA board. Hope this helps you
post #84 of 96
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Like someone said on OCN (don't remember who) these chip are 8 core xeon w/ 2 disabled core.
And you're right, it's more a cheap (compared to a dual Xeon) workstation CPU than a mainstream one. I particularly love how at non OC speed the 3930K/X3960 are above a 990x, especially with a 3930K since the 990x cost $500 more than the K (a least here ine Canada).
And when OCed they tackle dual Xeon (especially X5650) in multithreaded apps.
Just a point, multithreaded apps aren't limited in CAD domain.
All these discussions remember me when dual CPUs began to be released to consumer market ( i owned a dual PII/300Mhz and a dual PIII/500Mhz w/ Tyan motherboards) and again people said there was no use of that.
8 years ago there's many more multithreaded apps, and multitask working is common now.

Oh I absolutely agree.

The 990x gets spanked by the 3930k AND at a lower price-point...I'm 100% with you.

And I am very aware that multi-threaded apps aren't limited to CAD...I have 12 apps in the beta phase right now that will utilize up to 6 but, they're not optimized or even take full advantage of the 2 extra cores...Which, is my issue.

Intel has sold the platform as an enthusiast platform...That's a fact...And it's just not.

Not only is it not, there's nothing being done to make it one through way of development...It's not even optimized in 3/4 of the current benches out there...Yes some will "use" and "respond" to 6 cores but, they won't be optimized for them at least until Ivy is released.

When the 8400s and the 6600's clashed...There were programs being made for the Quad cores...They were //in// developement LONG before the release of the platform...Which, is why it was so "heralded"...We don't have that here.

What you see, is //what// you get...That, in my opinion, is wrong.

If you encode/render I'd absolutely support you buying this platform in fact, if you need help getting it there, PM me and I'll help you optimize it for max encoding...It rips apart my 5k 990x platform in back for 1/4 of the price...Will gladly hold your hand and optimize your rig for MAX encoding...But, for everything else? mad.gif

Even in multi-tasking it doesn't surpass SB...Gaming, doesn't pass SB, not at all...Even OC'd...Not at benching...At anything Intel "promised" the consumer, that's my issue.
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Oh I absolutely agree.
The 990x gets spanked by the 3930k AND at a lower price-point...I'm 100% with you.
And I am very aware that multi-threaded apps aren't limited to CAD...I have 12 apps in the beta phase right now that will utilize up to 6 but, they're not optimized or even take full advantage of the 2 extra cores...Which, is my issue.
Intel has sold the platform as an enthusiast platform...That's a fact...And it's just not.
Not only is it not, there's nothing being done to make it one through way of development...It's not even optimized in 3/4 of the current benches out there...Yes some will "use" and "respond" to 6 cores but, they won't be optimized for them at least until Ivy is released.
When the 8400s and the 6600's clashed...There were programs being made for the Quad cores...They were //in// developement LONG before the release of the platform...Which, is why it was so "heralded"...We don't have that here.
What you see, is //what// you get...That, in my opinion, is wrong.
If you encode/render I'd absolutely support you buying this platform in fact, if you need help getting it there, PM me and I'll help you optimize it for max encoding...It rips apart my 5k 990x platform in back for 1/4 of the price...Will gladly hold your hand and optimize your rig for MAX encoding...But, for everything else? mad.gif
Even in multi-tasking it doesn't surpass SB...Gaming, doesn't pass SB, not at all...Even OC'd...Not at benching...At anything Intel "promised" the consumer, that's my issue.

Gaming is most dependent from GPU than CPU, and since SB/SB-E doesn't have any bottleneck, the results aren't very surprising. But i understand your point concerning the fail of Intel to apply the right marketing to this platform.
Personally i didn't followed the Intel marketing campaign since my only concern was to upgrade from my phenom II x6, and from it, it's a huge performance gap. I waited for the BD before to switch to Intel, but since AMD didn't released a real 8 cores it was better to consider another option, even more costly than a 8150.
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2500K is the pound for pound or dollar for dollar champ, by a light year!
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From what i heard, march/april 2012

that is ivb-e for 2011 socket.. quad core ivy(1155) will be out a little earlier iirc
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Oh I absolutely agree.
The 990x gets spanked by the 3930k AND at a lower price-point...I'm 100% with you.
And I am very aware that multi-threaded apps aren't limited to CAD...I have 12 apps in the beta phase right now that will utilize up to 6 but, they're not optimized or even take full advantage of the 2 extra cores...Which, is my issue.
Intel has sold the platform as an enthusiast platform...That's a fact...And it's just not.
Not only is it not, there's nothing being done to make it one through way of development...It's not even optimized in 3/4 of the current benches out there...Yes some will "use" and "respond" to 6 cores but, they won't be optimized for them at least until Ivy is released.
When the 8400s and the 6600's clashed...There were programs being made for the Quad cores...They were //in// developement LONG before the release of the platform...Which, is why it was so "heralded"...We don't have that here.
What you see, is //what// you get...That, in my opinion, is wrong.
If you encode/render I'd absolutely support you buying this platform in fact, if you need help getting it there, PM me and I'll help you optimize it for max encoding...It rips apart my 5k 990x platform in back for 1/4 of the price...Will gladly hold your hand and optimize your rig for MAX encoding...But, for everything else? mad.gif
Even in multi-tasking it doesn't surpass SB...Gaming, doesn't pass SB, not at all...Even OC'd...Not at benching...At anything Intel "promised" the consumer, that's my issue.
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I've gotten a lot of PM's about this and, I'm not attacking you guys at all...It's your money...Hell, I'm an admin for a company that 90% of you actually, hate...So, I understand your position very well.
My issue is how this platform was advertised.
It is //NOT// an enthusiast platform.
I say that for multiple reasons:
1) 6 cores are not used by ANY retail software outside of CAD.
2) The core itself is NOT a good overclocker.
3) For encoding/Rendering, this core is a champion.
4) Even while gaming OC'd this core does //not// equal the performance of SB.
The above 1-4 are the results of our testing this sample rigorously for 3 months...Have rotated in/out 10 different 3930k's, same results...
If this platform had been advertised as a workstation, I would be 100% satisfied because clearly, at it's price-point, that's what it is...But, for the enthusiast market? No.
6 cores don't even optimize in 3/4 of the current benches out there...What are you going to compete in? Heaven 24/7/365?
At the end of the day it is your money, do with it as you want...I just don't think advertising this platform to the enthusiast was at all acceptable.

new stepping will hopefully be a little better
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Based on this, if AMD can develop a memory manager they could make big strides.
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Oh man how I want this CPU! Will it be worth dumping the 980x and rampage 3 extreme for this and the new rampage mobo?
     
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post #90 of 96
People bought into this platform for gaming and expected better results over a 2x00k-series?

Sounds like a personal fail to me.
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