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I am having trouble finding any info about this anywhere.
Every time i look it is just specific to portraits etc.

The problem i run into is the low light conditions/slow shutter speed.
Some times the flash works out, some times it doesn't.
I am so far preferring a back lit subject with a flash.

Is my kit 18-55mm lens just fine for this or would a large aperture prime 50mm f1.8 be better for family get togethers like Thanksgiving or Christmas?

Am i looking at this all wrong for my solutions?
What do you all do to take better pictures of family in these lower light conditions?
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A 50mm f1.8 would be so much better for low light conditions. Especially indoors. Though I find that the 50mm can be kind of restricting indoors.

A 35mm f1.8 or even 28mm would be better suited and it will still give a nice bokeh.

Another cheap alternative is a pop up flash diffuser. Makes the flash a bit softer and can eliminate a bit of the shadows it gives off.
Edited by aksthem1 - 11/14/11 at 6:38pm
    
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The 50mm on your crop body is in essence an 85mm lens -- Way, way too big for anything other than head shots in tight quarters, really. If you're happy with head shots, do it. If you want something a bit "wider" to really tell the story, I agree with aksthem1 -- The 35 or 28 would be ideal on your crop sensor. It would come close to the real FOV of the 50mm -- Which is a great story telling / photo journalistic lens in tight quarters and would solve your low-light problem.

The other option of course is to buy a decent flash (I don't know but I assume the Rebel you have listed would have a hot-shoe) -- Just bounce the flash upwards and voila, nice even light. Go nuts! thumb.gif
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OP, it'll be easy to tell if the 50mm will be too long for your tastes -- just leave your lens set at 55mm and shoot with it for a while. If you dont find it wholly limiting, then the 50 f/1.8 is a great budget option to add to your collection.

That doesn't mean the 28 or 35mm wouldn't be good lenses to pick up, but if the budget/cost is an issue, then the 50 f/1.8 is pretty darn good. The 28 f/2.8 is about 2.5x more expensive than the 50mm (~$250 on Amazon). The 35mm is even more ($~350) but will let in more light than the 28mm. If letting in more light is really one of your priorities and you're ok with moving around, the 50 is the way to go.

Aksthem1's suggestion is pretty awesome though. The pop-up flash diffuser would probably be the cheapest option though and would probably have a good effect on your images; you'll get to keep using the lens you're used to (the 18-55) and good to very good quality pop-up diffusers are about half the cost of the 50mm.
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post #5 of 15
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Wow, lots of great info there.

@Aksthem1
I just ordered a flash diffuser last week,. Sorry i forgot to mention it,thanks.


@Akshem1
@Kariz-Matic
@Mistabernie
Thanks for the info in the 35mm f1.8 or even 28mm being a better choice. I don't do any portrait/head shots as of yet. Both these lenses are out of my budget atm but i will keep an eye on what mm i tend to use more indoors and will be picking up one this summer.unfortunately too late for the holidays.

@Mistabernie
Thanks, i feel dumb for overlooking that i could just view through my lens and see how a 50mm would look...

@Kariz-Matic
I have only looked into a hot shoe flash a little bit and had forgotten about bouncing them off the ceiling. Yes my xs rebel has one.
This seems to be the most affordable route for me at this time.

Reps all around.


EDIT:
Is there anything i need to look for or avoid when getting a hot shoe flash?
(speed light)
Does a Nikon or other brand work on a Canon?
Is brand important.
I assume they will all be 5600k.

Things i will look into today:
Does my camera operate a hot shoe wireless or with a wire, or only when on the camera.
Adjustable power on the hot shoe flash.

Edit 2:
I have found a Nikon SB-50DX AF-TTL with gold and clear diffuser for $50
I see cheap china off brands for $35.
Or do i need something more?
Edited by micro5797 - 11/14/11 at 8:17am
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Well, for starters.. if the 28 or 35 are out of your budget, then a decent quality flash is as well - personally I wouldn't recommend anything below a 430 EX ii for a flash, but it comes with a ~$250 price tag. You dont necessarily need that much flash though; you could get something like a EX 270 for the price of a 50 f/1.8 (~$120); its' more powerful than the built in flashes on the rebel, and the 270 can be angled up for bounce, which is a pretty big deal, but you'd still want to get a diffuser for it so you'd want to add another ~$10-20. That being said, I personally would go with the 50 f/1.8 and a pop up diffuser (if, again, you test it out and think you can work with 50mm all the time), but either option is viable and well worth it.

Adorama currently has the nifty fifty (50 f/1.8) on sale for under $100 (special online price from twitter):

http://www.adorama.com/CA5018AFU.html?emailprice=t

Pop-up diffusers I would recommend:

Actually, this whole kit is pretty great (Fong pop up diffuser, and a bunch of useful stuff - microfiber cloth, blower, etc)

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?ds=pr&pq=fong+pop+up+diffuser&hl=en&cp=30&gs_id=1p&xhr=t&q=fong+pop+up+diffuser+for+canon&tok=uIcJpSX7kGucvb53KG1rpw&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&biw=1444&bih=785&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=18430732632059861293&sa=X&ei=bj7BTo7sB6Lo0QGv4sT-Bg&sqi=2&ved=0CFQQ8wIwAA

A couple more considerations:
A) Any hot shoe flash made for Canon DSLRs should work on your hot shoe without cables, and most will work pretty much automatically (feature E-TTL, or Through-The-Lens) metering. Even some third party flashes would be fine; you can save alot of money that way, but you really need to know how to (potentially) operate the flash manually (dialing in the correct power, etc).
B) The 50 f/1.8 has other great characteristics other than just letting in alot of light. In situations when there is enough light to open the lens up towards its widest (f/1.8), you can get nice bokeh out of a low cost lens (bokeh being the background blurring presented by opening the aperture all the way up and closing down the depth of field). I apologize if that's over-simplifying and you know what Bokeh is but in case you dont, just google 'bokeh examples' and check out some of the pics. It can be used artistically or to create a good deal of separation from your subject and its background.

Finally --

Check out the guides listed in the stickies. I do alot of browsing on Photography-On-The.net, so I might be getting slightly confused, but I believe that either DreamKiller or R31ncarnat3d go over flash in one of their tutorials. Also, there's a thread about camera systems that might go into hot-shoe flashes. There's definitely a wealth of information here, hopefully some of us put it together in a way that's useful for you. And I know you've been around since August, but welcome to the photography section here at OCN! wave2.gif

Edit -- no, Nikon flashes wont (standardly, at least) work on a Canon. Here's a list of compatible Canon flashes (currently offered by Canon, there are a few others, like the 550EX, 580EX mark 1, etc) and their prices from Canon:

Canon 270 EX - $159.99
Canon 270 EX ii - $169.99
Canon 320 EX - $249.99
Canon 430 EX ii - $299.99
Canon 580 EX ii - $499.99

The first two digits of the model number are the guide number (number of feet for effective flash, but google 'Guide Number' and read up). As you can see, the more powerful the flash, the higher the price.
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Thanks again for the info.
I will look into those guides that you have suggested. I will look into the stickies again as i know there is info i have overlooked.

I am of the mind set hat if you buy something good, you never regret it.
If you buy something that is cheap, you will have to replace it soon and in the long run it will cost you more.
But i did not look ahead far enough this summer when i got my camera to save up for what was needed.
Also i wanted to make sure that i enjoyed photography before dumping money into it and then never using what i bought.
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Thanks again for the info.
I will look into those guides that you have suggested. I will look into the stickies again as i know there is info i have overlooked.
I am of the mind set hat if you buy something good, you never regret it.
If you buy something that is cheap, you will have to replace it soon and in the long run it will cost you more.
But i did not look ahead far enough this summer when i got my camera to save up for what was needed.
Also i wanted to make sure that i enjoyed photography before dumping money into it and then never using what i bought.

Both are absolutely correct. It's why I stopped buying certain flash units -- they were definitely cheap (~like $40 dollars shipped cheap) but I now know why (very finicky to get it turned on, but fires most of the time when I need it to). Besides, what if you decide that you no longer like shooting a DSLR? Then you have a bunch of stuff left over that you need to turn around and sell. At least you're upgrading in the correct order -- buy a decent lens for the body to getting used to shooting. Besides improving your base skills, lens/glass will be the first (and usually best) way to improve the quality of your shots, followed next by quality lighting/flashes, then finally by upgrading your body. It's important to not get wrapped up solely in gear though -- gear helps, but you dont have to have three of the latest and greatest bodies to take great photographs.

People sometimes ask why I invested so much in photography if I'm not shooting professionally, and it's basically the reason you listed above; I like having the options available to me and having quality stuff. I had the 50 f/1.8 for a short while and replaced it with the 1.4 because the auto focus is faster and usually as accurate, but also because it lets in more light/provides nicer bokeh. Did I NEED to do it? Nah, the 50 1.8 is a fine lens, I just did it because I like having quality stuff.

In essence, before you pull the trigger on a purchase, think of a couple of things:
1) Is this gear that I'd actually use?
2) Does it defeat a limitation currently imposed by my current gear?
3) Are there other options that are less expensive but on par with the quality that I would need?

If you can get through all three of those, then you're usually fine.
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@MistaBernie
Thanks, i just got that lens in the mail tonight and am loving it (prime 50mm AF).
50mm seemed too close when i was practicing with my 18-55mm.
After reading some Kelby photo books and using the lens, i think 50mm+ is ideal for what i am using the lens for.
I can hardly believe how much more light the lens lets in compared to my kit lenses, thus the faster shutter in low light. I may not even need a flash for most pictures.
I am thrilled and am looking forward to using this lens a lot.

On my cropped sensor this lens is an 80mm. I only have to be about 6-8" further back to take the same shot as my friend with a full sensor and 50mm lens. (in doors)
Edited by micro5797 - 12/3/11 at 7:08pm
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I bought some cheap shop lights from lowes for when I'm taking pictures inside.

1/25 ISO200 f4.5

zzzzzstudiodogscropMedium.jpg

Still have to play around with the color temp I think.

Also using the lights for a light box.

DSC00776Medium.jpg
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