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Opteron 6276 (16 modules at 2.3 GHz) is 115w TDP.
Opteron 6282 SE (16 modules at 2.6 GHz) is 140w TDP.
Xeon E7-8870 (20 virtual cores at 2.4GHz) is 130w TDP.
Ivy Bridge is going to be much less TDP while offering better performance. AMD is in trouble.
It's not like they are doing well in the server market anyway. AMD has 5% or something while Intel has 95% iirc.
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Opteron 6276 (16 modules at 2.3 GHz) is 115w TDP.
Opteron 6282 SE (16 modules at 2.6 GHz) is 140w TDP.
Xeon E7-8870 (20 virtual cores at 2.4GHz) is 130w TDP.
Ivy Bridge is going to be much less TDP while offering better performance. AMD is in trouble.

And what about when AMD switch to Piledriver cores? If GloFo get their 32nm process down (or if AMD goto TSMC) then the issues with power consumption would largely subside.
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Opteron 6276 (16 modules at 2.3 GHz) is 115w TDP.
Opteron 6282 SE (16 modules at 2.6 GHz) is 140w TDP.
Xeon E7-8870 (20 virtual cores at 2.4GHz) is 130w TDP.
Ivy Bridge is going to be much less TDP while offering better performance. AMD is in trouble.

Intel Xeon E7-4870 = ~ 4000 EUR
Opteron 6276 = ~ 650 EUR
Opteron 6282 SE = ~ 850 EUR

Huh? biggrin.gif
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/seeintothefuture
But it would be nice to not have a moderator that has to troll. smile.gif
Ivy Bridge server chips maybe better then the current line that is "AVAILABLE" now but AMD will have updated ones as well.
The new Opterons are very nice, and it will help AMD in the server market by a nice amount.
Yes, but Ivy Bridge is due much sooner and still will offer better performance.


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Nice quick edit there Wishmaker wink.gif
Well saying a future product that you can't even buy now should be better then anything that you can buy now? Who ever would have guessed that.
Also, you never know what companies can do they all have good and bad products, may just be surprised never know.
Actually, you can guesstimate what companies will do with product performance in the short term. AMD already made statements about Piledriver performance and we know current Bulldozer performance as well.

As for future products, the servers OEMs are already evaluating Ivy Bridge. They must be since they have a server release cycle they keep.

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Intel Xeon E7-4870 = ~ 4000 EUR
Opteron 6276 = ~ 650 EUR
Opteron 6282 SE = ~ 850 EUR
Huh? biggrin.gif

Initial costs do not mean as much for a 24/7/365 server. wink.gif

Cost-benefit depends on the requirements and workloads.
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Look, if you haven't noticed, no one is saying that they are the best performing chips around. They perform MUCH better then Intel in the cost sector while maintaining performance that nearly matches Intel's higher end line-ups that cost well over 2x the price.
Did you look at these results?

AMD is making a move on the sector where most of the sales happen. And frankly, they still perform well against the competition in parallel computing.

I won't ever believe any benchmarks or claims AMD releases after everything they pulled with Bulldozer.

You should reference 3rd party benchmarks when they become available.

It surprises me that you have no idea the work load and algorithm differences between server and windows 7 is.

Bulldozer benefits under their own instruction sets or heavy parallel code; which has been proven in numerous benchmarks seen posted on OCN. Until home user applications start using a great deal of parallel code, then bulldozer is going to remain a flop. As for the server and multimedia world, it's quite a different story.

Interesting to see how IVY bridge is going to turn out.
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AMD is making a move on the sector where most of the sales happen. And frankly, they still perform well against the competition in parallel computing.

Boom.

AMD chips scale particularly well in multi socket boards.

I recallr eading a review where Westmere-EX 10-core processor was proven noticeably faster than any Magny-Cours 12-core processor, but when put in a quad socket board on 256GB of RAM, the Magny Cours simply trounced over the Westmere-EX quad processor solution, eating less power and costing less than the half.

Of course not everyone uses 48 threads of processing, so smaller servers will choose Intel processors if given the money.
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Yes, but Ivy Bridge is due much sooner and still will offer better performance.
Actually, you can guesstimate what companies will do with product performance in the short term. AMD already made statements about Piledriver performance and we know current Bulldozer performance as well.
As for future products, the servers OEMs are already evaluating Ivy Bridge. They must be since they have a server release cycle they keep.
Initial costs do not mean as much for a 24/7/365 server. wink.gif
Cost-benefit depends on the requirements and workloads.

All true. I guess it really depends on what workload they are running. If u need very fast integer performance then the Opteron would be the choice. Here is a interesting article as well.
http://www.crn.com/news/data-center/231902878/latest-dell-poweredge-server-doubles-performance-behind-amds-16-core-opteron-chip.htm?cid=nl_alert

just wish they would have done as good on desktop CPU's. smile.gif
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Boom.
AMD chips scale particularly well in multi socket boards.
I recallr eading a review where Westmere-EX 10-core processor was proven noticeably faster than any Magny-Cours 12-core processor, but when put in a quad socket board on 256GB of RAM, the Magny Cours simply trounced over the Westmere-EX quad processor solution, eating less power and costing less than the half.
Of course not everyone uses 48 threads of processing, so smaller servers will choose Intel processors if given the money.
Would you have a link to that? Interesting...
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All true. I guess it really depends on what workload they are running. If u need very fast integer performance then the Opteron would be the choice. Here is a interesting article as well.
http://www.crn.com/news/data-center/231902878/latest-dell-poweredge-server-doubles-performance-behind-amds-16-core-opteron-chip.htm?cid=nl_alert
just wish they would have done as good on desktop CPU's. smile.gif

Yup, doesn't it always come down to: "What will the server be used for?" thumb.gif
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Ye of little faith.
I understand how you feel, I don't trust anything that Intel does, for good reason too.

At least they don't lie to their customers about performance. Only the hardcore AMD fans bought Bulldozer despite all its shortcomings.
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It surprises me that you have no idea the work load and algorithm differences between server and windows 7 is.
Bulldozer benefits under their own instruction sets or heavy parallel code; which has been proven in numerous benchmarks seen posted on OCN. Until home user applications start using a great deal of parallel code, then bulldozer is going to remain a flop. As for the server and multimedia world, it's quite a different story.
Interesting to see how IVY bridge is going to turn out.

Your reading comprehension surprises me. You may want to re-read my post a FEW times.
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I won't ever believe any benchmarks or claims AMD releases after everything they pulled with Bulldozer.

You should reference 3rd party benchmarks when they become available.

All I said was that I don't trust AMD performance claims, after what they pulled with Bulldozer. They tend to stretch the truth. Need examples? Remember when their video claimed that a 990X pulled 5.91 in Cinebench?

Remember when they said IPC will be higher than their previous architecture?

Remember when AMD said that "Bulldozer" will be the "highest performing processor core" ever in both single and multi-thread? How well did they live up to that statement? Single thread performance is LOWER than PhenomII.

448

Here's another of their marketing claims, which they didn't live up to:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1165421/what-did-you-expect-from-bulldozer-zambezi-fx/0_50#post_15670753

Any performance claims from AMD should be taken with a grain of salt, until verified by 3rd party reviews.
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At least they don't lie to their customers about performance. Only the hardcore AMD fans bought Bulldozer despite all its shortcomings.
You may want to re-read my post a FEW times.
All I said was that I don't trust AMD performance claims. They tend to stretch the truth. Need examples?
Here's just 1:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1165421/what-did-you-expect-from-bulldozer-zambezi-fx/0_50#post_15670753

Pfffffft, and Intel has never mis-led the public before.......... rolleyes.gif
Once again, where is your proof that AMD outright lied? Oh wait, lemme guess: You are going to dig out those colorful, useless charts again, right? Or blame JF-AMD? Or the shot from the grassy knoll?
I'm proud of my "hardcore label", thanks for that prop!! So, when will you be getting that over priced SB-E? It is obvious that you are one of those "Hardcore" Intel guys, right? I mean, you have the AMD bashing and belittling down to a science.
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