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Would you have a link to that? Interesting...


http://www.anandtech.com/show/2978/amd-s-12-core-magny-cours-opteron-6174-vs-intel-s-6-core-xeon/1

Dual socket reviews. Check how they scale up with more cores, and how the distance gets shortened. The difference is much shorter as cores go up (for both platforms), Cinebench shows that particularly well.

That is just for a dual socket, if I stumble upon the quad socket review (be sure I'm searching it as crazy tongue.gif) I'll post it wink.gif

Edit: Ooops! That one compares Westmere EP prcessors, 6-core variants!

Anyway, I'll leave it just for the sake of information. AMD's offering is still way cheaper than Intel's tongue.gif


Edit2: I missed the main word of my last post!

AMD's Magny-Cours trounced over the Nehalem EX (Westmere EX wasn't out by then) in terms of performance/watt/$. Not in raw performance. Anyway, it was targeted towards the Westmere EP (from the price standpoint) and it does beat it in quad socket solutions.

When faced against the Westmere EP (its market competitor, for both price and performance) it comes ahead when more than 2 CPUs come to play. And yet it's still cheaper.

Now, Nehalem alone that's another story. Those chips have some serious price/performance in single and dual socket systems. Up to quad sockets, they get out of the game (for the same story that their Westmere EP brothers get beaten).

Same goes for the Nehalem EX processors. They have an astonishing amount of horsepower, being a 24-core Nehalem EX solution quite faster than an AMD Magny Cours 48 core solution, but at the premium of having a 95W TDP vs AMD's 65W in their most efficient versions (three Intel processors output more heat than 4 AMDs), and costing (hold on) $10800 compared to AMD's $7200.


To me, Intel processors are either for small, single/dual sockets, or for extremely powerful 2U HPCs where you can drop four Nehalem-EX. For the medium cost, multi-socket solutions AMD remains a winner in price/performance/power consumption.


This bulldozer chips, if properly done, can be a decent successor to the incredible Magny Cours.


Good you made me search it Duckie, that was a nice mess I had there redface.gif



Edit3: Dang! AMD's measuring is ACP, not TDP. TDP for HE Magny Cours is 85W. Ergo, 340W theoretical heat output VS Intel's 285W.


Edit4: Aaaaaand it's not $1800 per chip (fastest processor, 2.5GHz twelve-core) either. It's $1500. That lowers the AMD platform price down to $6000.
Edited by Artikbot - 11/15/11 at 3:08pm
   
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Remember when they said IPC will be higher than their previous architecture?
Remember when AMD said that "Bulldozer" will be the "highest performing processor core" ever in both single and multi-thread? How well did they live up to that statement? Single thread performance is LOWER than PhenomII.
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Here's another of their marketing claims, which they didn't live up to:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1165421/what-did-you-expect-from-bulldozer-zambezi-fx/0_50#post_15670753
Any performance claims from AMD should be taken with a grain of salt, until verified by 3rd party reviews.

That you would use a slide from 2007 as a basis for your argument is troubling.
Plans and road maps can change with time - especially early on.
Heck, old Intel road maps indicated that Nehalem was to be based off Netburst.
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Remember when they said IPC will be higher than their previous architecture?
Remember when AMD said that "Bulldozer" will be the "highest performing processor core" ever in both single and multi-thread?

Oh yeah, remember when Intel's 1.5GHz Netburst wasn't able to keep up with a 1GHz Coppermine? rolleyes.gif


Remember... Remember... Live the present, stop acting like a fanboy kiddo man! AMD's fixing this chips up, and we might see some interesting stuff when they've finished thumb.gif


Seeing you bash EVERY SINGLE AMD THREAD is starting to get boring, and old.
Edited by Artikbot - 11/15/11 at 3:12pm
   
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I coulda sworn IBM had something in the 50+ range..
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That you would use a slide from 2007 as a basis for your argument is troubling.
Plans and road maps can change with time - especially early on.
Heck, old Intel road maps indicated that Nehalem was to be based off Netburst.

I guess you didn't see this link did you?
http://www.overclock.net/t/1165421/what-did-you-expect-from-bulldozer-zambezi-fx/0_50#post_15670753

That's their CURRENT marketing claims.
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Oh yeah, remember when Intel's 1.5GHz Netburst wasn't able to keep up with a 1GHz Coppermine? rolleyes.gif
Remember... Remember... Live the present, stop acting like a fanboy kiddo man! AMD's fixing this chips up, and we might see some interesting stuff when they've finished thumb.gif
Seeing you bash EVERY SINGLE AMD THREAD is starting to get boring, and old.
Since when is the truth bashing?

I guess you can't handle the truth, keep praising AMD. thumb.gif
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I coulda sworn IBM had something in the 50+ range..

Yeah but it wasn't a mass produced solution so it's kind of a different story. =S
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The problem with going up to so many cores is that you encounter an inherent bottleneck whereby the cores compete for many of the same computing resources, which is most evident when all cores are in use.

Intel has been working on technology to overcome such problems, but AMD is still using the fill 'er up approach to CPU design.
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I guess you didn't see this link did you?
http://www.overclock.net/t/1165421/what-did-you-expect-from-bulldozer-zambezi-fx/0_50#post_15670753
That's their CURRENT marketing claims.
Since when is the truth bashing?
I guess you can't handle the truth, keep praising AMD. thumb.gif

So, where are they lying? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO loooookie, another colorful, useless slide from 2007!! lachen.gif

I'm going to go make popcorn, this show is too good!! thumb.gif
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So, where are they lying? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO loooookie, another colorful, useless slide from 2007!! lachen.gif
I'm going to go make popcorn, this show is too good!! thumb.gif

Yes, make some popcorn, when I posted CURRENT marketing slides. rolleyes.gif
http://www.overclock.net/t/1165421/what-did-you-expect-from-bulldozer-zambezi-fx/0_50#post_15670753

Perhaps you should READ, before commenting?

Didn't AMD claim LOWER power consumption on the new Opteron's?

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Originally Posted by Anandtech 
The Xeon consumes 25% less power, and the older Opteron about 10% less. The performance/Watt ratio of the newest Opteron looks rather bad when running on top of ESX. We shall delve into this deeper in the next several pages.

Again, this proves my point, I am not going to believe AMD's performance claims until a 3rd party verifies them. Here's AMD's claim just to recap.
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The company is introducing the AMD Opteron 6200 family of processors, formerly code-named Interlagos. The chips give enterprises as much as 84 percent better performance, 73 percent better memory bandwidth, and better power efficiency with half the power per core. They save about two-thirds on floor space and two-thirds on platform costs.

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