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Nope. I close FF when I'm done, sleep my computer when I don't use it. I don't like auto-updates in case something else I use gets broken because of it. And even if it auto-updates, you've still gotta wait for the "FF is updating" dialog box the next time you open it. I aim to minimize those worthless time-wasters.

Well I wouldn't complain then, the update process here takes almost no time. Either you auto-update or you don't, just don't complain about updates when you refuse to use update features.
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Well I wouldn't complain then, the update process here takes almost no time. Either you auto-update or you don't, just don't complain about updates when you refuse to use update features.

The update process is still annoying. And for nearly-daily incremental (and nearly insignificant) changes? Just roll it together in less-frequent updates.
    
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Yes it does... I'm using AdBlock.

Adblock for Chrome is utter crap compared to FF's one. It misses certain types of ads.
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The update process is still annoying. And for nearly-daily incremental (and nearly insignificant) changes? Just roll it together in less-frequent updates.

Then ignore it and only use it once a week. Or turn off automatic updates and just use them when you feel like it. =O NO WAI!

http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/753852#answer-231982

It's not hard, and anyone can do it. It's this type of BS that makes me angry, across this entire message board. It's almost like you want everything on a silver platter. You don't even have to download the new version, if your happy with the old one then use it. i don't see the problem what so ever.
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Then ignore it and only use it once a week. Or turn off automatic updates and just use them when you feel like it. =O NO WAI!
http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/753852#answer-231982
It's not hard, and anyone can do it. It's this type of BS that makes me angry, across this entire message board. It's almost like you want everything on a silver platter. You don't even have to download the new version, if your happy with the old one then use it. i don't see the problem what so ever.

Significance of the frequent incremental updates? When you flood users with update after update that have little-to-no difference from the previous version, you dilute the effect/importance of updates that carry significant and important security patches. Turning off updates entirely because you're annoyed at the nearly-daily pushes would leave you vulnerable to being oblivious to important updates containing security patches. By releasing fewer, less frequent (though perhaps slightly larger) updates, you don't have to worry about that sort of thing.

Sure, you could argue that a user that would do this should be cognizant of their browser situation--but on the contrary, I would still ask, what's the significance of so many small updates? I guess it can lessen the development time--and make things simpler by addressing a few things at a time.

I don't want everything on a silver platter, I just don't see the significance of many frequent updates vs. say an update a month for important changes. Maybe an emergency update if there's a significant security aspect to address.

It's frequent that add-ons are mucked up with a new version. Why not minimize those effects on your users instead of constantly frustrating them, and requiring them to choose between an updated version with no add-ons, or an old version with functioning add-ons?

FF claims that they need to maintain this frequent update cycle in order to support new features that sites are adding in these "rapid" times of internet development. But I would counter with this: How is it I'm able to surf the net unimpeded with a version of FF that's at least 2-4 "versions" old--no better or worse than with the most current version? If you are spending time and efforts into building new versions to support new "features" but your users don't notice any bit of usability difference from release to release, then the releases are meaningless--nothing but an annoyance. That is, until some new release has a significant security update that most users don't get because they've disabled auto-updates, which leaves themselves and sites they visit open to vulnerabilities.
    
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Significance of the frequent incremental updates? When you flood users with update after update that have little-to-no difference from the previous version, you dilute the effect/importance of updates that carry significant and important security patches. Turning off updates entirely because you're annoyed at the nearly-daily pushes would leave you vulnerable to being oblivious to important updates containing security patches. By releasing fewer, less frequent (though perhaps slightly larger) updates, you don't have to worry about that sort of thing.
Sure, you could argue that a user that would do this should be cognizant of their browser situation--but on the contrary, I would still ask, what's the significance of so many small updates? I guess it can lessen the development time--and make things simpler by addressing a few things at a time.
I don't want everything on a silver platter, I just don't see the significance of many frequent updates vs. say an update a month for important changes. Maybe an emergency update if there's a significant security aspect to address.
It's frequent that add-ons are mucked up with a new version. Why not minimize those effects on your users instead of constantly frustrating them, and requiring them to choose between an updated version with no add-ons, or an old version with functioning add-ons?
FF claims that they need to maintain this frequent update cycle in order to support new features that sites are adding in these "rapid" times of internet development. But I would counter with this: How is it I'm able to surf the net unimpeded with a version of FF that's at least 2-4 "versions" old--no better or worse than with the most current version? If you are spending time and efforts into building new versions to support new "features" but your users don't notice any bit of usability difference from release to release, then the releases are meaningless--nothing but an annoyance. That is, until some new release has a significant security update that most users don't get because they've disabled auto-updates, which leaves themselves and sites they visit open to vulnerabilities.

Addons work in Aurora, the new replacement to Nightly. It's on version 14 atm, users have sacrificed nothing. Not only that you can force addons if you REALLY want them... So a user doesn't have a choice in that aspect as they should work. I've never had an addon fail me, even when forcing them.

As for the other topics, it's choice. You chose security over convenience. You make this sound complicated, it's not. Either you get the updates and know your current or you don't and acknowledge that your not current. Everything else you said is just meaningless crap. Cause if you break updates farther apart, that means the user is obviously insecure between those updates. So releasing fewer updates increases risk, and so they don't.

Honestly, what IS your point with this. You seem to be trying to justify why you hate constant updates.
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Honestly, I'm a big fan of smaller, more frequent updates. Personally, I feel like a developer actually cares when they're making changes. Also, smaller frequent updates tend to just be better in general for progression anyways.

I don't follow enough software to make a proper analogy, but look at Intel. Their Tick-Tock strategy has done them wonders. On the other side, you've got AMD that tries to die shrink and do architecture changes at the same time, leading to massive delays and less than expected performance.

Now, AMD's taken a cue from Intel and they're executing almost flawlessly. Their A series is refreshing in under a year, and their AM3+ platform is likely refreshing in under a year as well. The improvements over time have increased tremendously, and if they do have a setback, it won't be as detrimental as before.

Smaller, more frequent updates are a good thing. Mozilla's made a lot more progress in the year since they switched to their new updating scheme than they did in previous years. The improvements may not seem like much between each individual update, but more is happening more quickly.
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Addons work in Aurora, the new replacement to Nightly. It's on version 14 atm, users have sacrificed nothing. Not only that you can force addons if you REALLY want them... So a user doesn't have a choice in that aspect as they should work. I've never had an addon fail me, even when forcing them.
As for the other topics, it's choice. You chose security over convenience. You make this sound complicated, it's not. Either you get the updates and know your current or you don't and acknowledge that your not current. Everything else you said is just meaningless crap. Cause if you break updates farther apart, that means the user is obviously insecure between those updates. So releasing fewer updates increases risk, and so they don't.
Honestly, what IS your point with this. You seem to be trying to justify why you hate constant updates.

Bigger picture, beyond my feeble opinion of hating constant updates. Think about it more-globally. Having constant updates also forces add-on/extension developers to be constantly scrambling to support the new versions. Many have already complained about this, to the point that some have migrated entirely over to Chrome. Corporate has to constantly analyze versions for security compatibility/support. And no real functionality is added to new versions. Extension/add-on developers are a huge part of the reason some users prefer FF over other browsers. It's a self-defeating process to be constantly releasing versions that break things that your users want, or to force devs to be constantly working on (whereas they would only have to update infrequently otherwise).

Forcing add-ons that don't work with a version? If the add-on doesn't work because it's broken in the new release, how does one go about doing that...?

I don't really get why you're being so hostile about it though. Did I offend you or something?
    
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I have been a Firefox user since they first released it and I hate 12. I have never had so much problem with a browser. I actually had to open up IE to make some pages work. I hate the Chrome fanboism but I might have to download it now.

I have only had a single solitary problem with Firefox my entire life (so far). That was when nvidia drivers conflicted with Firefox's Hardware Acceleration and caused it to crash every 10min. A simple click to turn it off fixed the problem.

The problems you are experiencing are most likely local issues isolated to your system and/or external issues. thumb.gif

I have been using Firefox forever and love it. biggrin.gif

It's not, it's a Firefox 12 problem. I can access the pages on my phone on two different browsers. I can access these pages on Chrome and IE. Firefox won't let me interact with the page it just kinda soft crashes.
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I have been a Firefox user since they first released it and I hate 12. I have never had so much problem with a browser. I actually had to open up IE to make some pages work. I hate the Chrome fanboism but I might have to download it now.

I have only had a single solitary problem with Firefox my entire life (so far). That was when nvidia drivers conflicted with Firefox's Hardware Acceleration and caused it to crash every 10min. A simple click to turn it off fixed the problem.

The problems you are experiencing are most likely local issues isolated to your system and/or external issues. thumb.gif

I have been using Firefox forever and love it. biggrin.gif

It's not, it's a Firefox 12 problem. I can access the pages on my phone on two different browsers. I can access these pages on Chrome and IE. Firefox won't let me interact with the page it just kinda soft crashes.

Wouldn't it be more likely that the pages themselves are crashing Firefox, instead of Firefox crashing on its own? You make it seem like Firefox will just randomly crash on any given web page. However, like I said, its much more likely that its an isolated case (ie. the web page causes the crash, not Firefox itself). Which means that something is probably flawed with the web page.

Anyways, its not like Firefox is bug free. But its not some bug ridden swamp land either. I personally have had almost no issues with it for years and years.
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