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Originally Posted by ElectroManiac View Post

He got it from here.
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2312hm.htm

231

prad.de said different thing !

10ms input lag ( not 0.6 ) and slower performance compared against pa238q.
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He got it from here.
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2312hm.htm

Thanks for the link!
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Indeed, sorry about the lack of a link...
I've posted that chart about 5 times in the last day wth.gif
lol

No problem, I do like that chart. I also read the review of the monitor, that was some review, wish I could find one like that on my monitor.
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prad.de said different thing !
10ms input lag ( not 0.6 ) and slower performance compared against pa238q.

Who the hell are prad.de?

Dude you should see

food'n'stuff.eu said it has 0.0ms lag! I should totally believe them! rolleyes.gif
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LOL
in a professional job it's ok, but for home ethernament, the colors accurate or not is not important.
U speak about real-life ? Dirty look is reality ? wink.gif
I had Dell u2311h and u2412m and the image quality was horrible, grainy effect, text blurred by coating, and ghosting in games specially deus ex, and 24 model plus had less smother whit youtube movies. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

Woah, stop right there

You never had a Dell U2412M. Gargantuan utter lie.

Now, seriously, you are simply trolling and lying. You spent time on [H]ardforum staring at members' videos to make the U2412M seem slow and show ghosting. If you had one, why would you do that and not just create your own video?

I guess now we know why you have been banned there twice, and are on your third, and possibly fourth alias there?

Jeez man, now I remember why I put you on my ignore/blocked list. Wow.

Senna89 never owned a U2412M, that is a fact.
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I have been playing Deux Ex on my U2312HM this weak and I haven't experience any ghost at all. Same for all other games.

You're not going to. The U2311H and U2312HM are near the top of response time champs for IPS, and their actual input lag is like 1ms plus response time. Remember, input lag is measured against a CRT that has response time in the nano-seconds, so if an LCD has zero input lag it will be 0(zero) PLUS the response time for that color change, as it responds just a bit slower than the CRT. Either way, I don't know anyone out there who could honestly say they will notice the 8-10 ms delay.

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Originally Posted by idahosurge View Post

No problem, I do like that chart. I also read the review of the monitor, that was some review, wish I could find one like that on my monitor.

You have a VP2655WB? Here's your review: A decent monitor with one of the most kick-ass panels ever. That 25.5" panel is the same as the 25.5" in my NEC LCD2690WUXI-BK. I am not sure if your's has the A-TW polarizer, but if blacks don't turn silvery from angles, that means it does.

Either way, it's an awesome panel and you should love it biggrin.gif

If it does have the A-TW you should treasure it and cradle it until time immemorial
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Who the hell are prad.de?
Dude you should see
food'n'stuff.eu said it has 0.0ms lag! I should totally believe them! rolleyes.gif

They are a reputable site, but Senna89 only likes them when they support his skewed and unrealistic opinion. When they reported that the U2412M had equivalent response time to the U2311H, he looked for every bargain basement site to question their credibility.

That being said, they prioritize on color quality and professional features and spend less time on gaming than other sites.
Edited by 10e - 11/24/11 at 5:21am
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You're not going to. The U2311H and U2312HM are near the top of response time champs for IPS, and their actual input lag is like 1ms plus response time. Remember, input lag is measured against a CRT that has response time in the nano-seconds, so if an LCD has zero input lag it will be 0(zero) PLUS the response time for that color change, as it responds just a bit slower than the CRT. Either way, I don't know anyone out there who could honestly say they will notice the 8-10 ms delay.

Lol I know I won't biggrin.gif

I was just answering senna's lie about deust ex ghosting on the U2312HM.
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You have a VP2655WB? Here's your review: A decent monitor with one of the most kick-ass panels ever. That 25.5" panel is the same as the 25.5" in my NEC LCD2690WUXI-BK. I am not sure if your's has the A-TW polarizer, but if blacks don't turn silvery from angles, that means it does.
Either way, it's an awesome panel and you should love it biggrin.gif
If it does have the A-TW you should treasure it and cradle it until time immemorial

I do love it and blacks stay black at angles. This is the best monitor I have ever owned and used.

I would just like to know what the measured input lag is.
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Have a question for you guys...more a situational observation than anything. I own an old Dell 2007 WFP in S-IPS form. Recently, well, last year, I tried a Dell U2410 and could not get used to the thing. For one, it had terrible color, and by that I just mean it wasn't "normal." There was a mode called SRGB, but it introduced far too much input lag for gaming. Oddly enough, the gaming mode had an ugly red tint to everything. Further, the display always seemed "hard on my eyes" unless I dropped brightness down to 0, but then everything faded. Finally, I could see between text...it just didn't look sharp. I'm blaming this one on the .27mm pixel pitch.

So ultimately, I'd like my current monitor (S-IPS, =/<.258 in, NORMAL freaking colors, low input lag, height adjustment) a 1920 x 1200, 24" format w/ excellent contrast ratio. Is that even possible? AG coating doesn't matter...I don't think...hell, I don't know!! biggrin.gif

PS. The only thing I've found so far's the 22in HP ZW or ZR 22 since it has an S-IPS panel, boosted contrast (from my old Dell), and a tight .245 pixel pitch w/ minimal input lag.
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The AG coating may have been responsible for the issues reading text. Others have mentioned it. I've had no such issues, though it does lend to grainy/dirty the colors, mostly Whites or large areas of the same brighter colors. Since you say dropping the brightness help, I'm going to lean towards that guess. AG coating tends to have a "sparkly" effect that likely lessens with brightness.

I'm surprised at all of the feedback about input delay. I came from a CRT and noticed it at first, then it seemingly went away. It was the ghosting/reverse ghosting/whatever it is that bothered (and still does) me. Unless this input delay is exclusive to the sRGB mode, but I tried it and it didn't feel much different than the custom color mode I use. I don't know.

Earlier models also had Pink/Red (sometimes Green, I've even read?) tinting issues, or dithering in the RGB modes. Later revisions supposedly fixed this.
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I do love it and blacks stay black at angles. This is the best monitor I have ever owned and used.
I would just like to know what the measured input lag is.

It would likely be low. I don't know if they ever changed the panel and switched to the later one without the A-TW polarizer, but these panels themselves were used in the Planar PX2611W and Doublesight DS-263N and they were both known to be very low lag IPS monitors.

People with A-TW polarized panels never realized how good the blacks are on angles versus non A-TW polarized screens, especially off-angle. The difference is night and day.

One quick question: Have you used the sRGB mode on it much, and if so, does it lower the strong colors at all or just change the red or blue level of white, and then lock brightness and contrast?

I'm just curious if Viewsonic did this, whereas NEC failed to do this properly. Thx!
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Have a question for you guys...more a situational observation than anything. I own an old Dell 2007 WFP in S-IPS form. Recently, well, last year, I tried a Dell U2410 and could not get used to the thing. For one, it had terrible color, and by that I just mean it wasn't "normal." There was a mode called SRGB, but it introduced far too much input lag for gaming. Oddly enough, the gaming mode had an ugly red tint to everything. Further, the display always seemed "hard on my eyes" unless I dropped brightness down to 0, but then everything faded. Finally, I could see between text...it just didn't look sharp. I'm blaming this one on the .27mm pixel pitch.
So ultimately, I'd like my current monitor (S-IPS, =/<.258 in, NORMAL freaking colors, low input lag, height adjustment) a 1920 x 1200, 24" format w/ excellent contrast ratio. Is that even possible? AG coating doesn't matter...I don't think...hell, I don't know!! biggrin.gif
PS. The only thing I've found so far's the 22in HP ZW or ZR 22 since it has an S-IPS panel, boosted contrast (from my old Dell), and a tight .245 pixel pitch w/ minimal input lag.

Some people like sharper dot pitches. Ever look at the Dell ST2220T? It's glossy, 1100:1 contrast (measured) and similar dot pitch. You probably would like that if reflections weren't an issue for you. It's a 21.5" with 1920x1080 resolution. There used to be the Lenovo L220X which was one of the few 1920x1200 22" screens I remember.

I have the older Dell 2005FPW which I believe was the same panel, and weirdly enough when I got it, the IPS panel in it seemed somewhat grainy to me back then (December 2005) but now it seems smoother than a lot of newer displays.

The only thing that will likely impress you for super sharp text and a smooth panel would be the Samsung S27A850, but it's far more expensive than the U2410, around $800.00 U.S.

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The AG coating may have been responsible for the issues reading text. Others have mentioned it. I've had no such issues, though it does lend to grainy/dirty the colors, mostly Whites or large areas of the same brighter colors. Since you say dropping the brightness help, I'm going to lean towards that guess. AG coating tends to have a "sparkly" effect that likely lessens with brightness.
I'm surprised at all of the feedback about input delay. I came from a CRT and noticed it at first, then it seemingly went away. It was the ghosting/reverse ghosting/whatever it is that bothered (and still does) me. Unless this input delay is exclusive to the sRGB mode, but I tried it and it didn't feel much different than the custom color mode I use. I don't know.
Earlier models also had Pink/Red (sometimes Green, I've even read?) tinting issues, or dithering in the RGB modes. Later revisions supposedly fixed this.

Reverse ghosting is from over drive. If you can find a way into the service menu, shut it off and it will be better. In my opinion, overdrive works mostly for "trailing edge" blurring and doesn't impress me very much most of the time due to the halo/reverse ghosting effect.
Edited by 10e - 11/25/11 at 11:46am
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