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Soon ill be in the army barracks so space is premium for me, I'm thinking of getting a corsair 600d removing the cages and cutting out one of the bays and putting a 200mm rad in the front bottom a 240 rad on top and a 120 rad in the back, 2 loops one res, the biggest res i can stand up in a 600D. Looks like having a temp sensor in the res or in an exit line from the res. is the way to go but im not sure. I really dig the TMS-205 also, that looks like a cool way to add some bonus tech to the whole scheme of things. I have been in iraq for a year saving cash just for making this rig so price doesn't really come into play thank god, i couldn't imagine doing this on a tight budget, loving the insight brothers keep it coming cuz this rig is being ordered all the time!
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make that a 650D
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Don't bother trying to control pump speed. Just use something like SpeedFan to control your fan speeds in reaction to your temperatures. If you're worried about fans speed "pulsing", you can configure a Hysteresis value which will cause SpeedFan to delay changing your fan speed, reducing the constant speed changes.

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I run 3 set speeds for my two series MCP35x pumps.

Below 45ºC CPU core temp, they both run at 10% for the absolute minimum noise at idle.

From 45º to 75ºC, they both run at 45%. (running both at higher than 45% provides no additional cooling in my setup)

If the CPU core temps go over 75ºC, The pumps go up to 100%.(Failsafe for if one pump dies.)

I also have the 9 PWM controlled fans in my rig set up to ramp up in 3 steps rather than constantly ramping up and down.
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?So to do this right I need?
1x temp sensor minimum for the liquid, i dont know yet what base areas should be monitored in addition to the liquid
2x pumps
2x flow meters
1x TMS-EB205 with expansion card
1x reservoir with enough ports on it for 2 loops
1x CPU waterblock (the GPU has one built in)
the 3 rads with fans because the case can hold em
tubing and whatever fittings i need once i get everything ready to build

Is the TMS-EB205 a complete upgrade to the maximus IV extremes on board fan and sensor controlling abilities or is the TMS-EB205 a requirement because the MB cant support all i need? I'm grinding over the MB specs and i dont trust my abilities to make the call if it can do it all on its own. Im sure it's because I have never dealt with controlling fans and sensors before. From what I understand when I plug a fan into the MB, it will be detected and I can control the rpm manually or be bound to a sensor for different tolerances, can the MB support several temp sensors on its own then bind the fans to the different sensors? I can see the TMS-EB205 with the expansion card can support all I need for sure and it supports a pile of temp sensors so I suspect that it can be flexible with assigning fans to different sensors right?
Thanks again for the insight brothers, this isn't stuff you can just ask someone about at the store for sure,
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Originally Posted by DWSR View Post

Don't bother trying to control pump speed. Just use something like SpeedFan to control your fan speeds in reaction to your temperatures. If you're worried about fans speed "pulsing", you can configure a Hysteresis value which will cause SpeedFan to delay changing your fan speed, reducing the constant speed changes.

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Originally Posted by ruairi View Post

I'm pretty sure that pump speed doesn't have a noticable effect on temps provided that the pump is beefy enough in the first place. Tested by Linus with D5 variable biggrin.gif

This..


Also tested by me, no differrence in temps at all. my pump runs at lowets, setting 1/5.
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Is the TMS-EB205 a complete upgrade to the maximus IV extremes on board fan and sensor controlling abilities or is the TMS-EB205 a requirement because the MB cant support all i need? I'm grinding over the MB specs and i dont trust my abilities to make the call if it can do it all on its own. Im sure it's because I have never dealt with controlling fans and sensors before. From what I understand when I plug a fan into the MB, it will be detected and I can control the rpm manually or be bound to a sensor for different tolerances, can the MB support several temp sensors on its own then bind the fans to the different sensors? I can see the TMS-EB205 with the expansion card can support all I need for sure and it supports a pile of temp sensors so I suspect that it can be flexible with assigning fans to different sensors right?

I am happy with my TMS-200/TMS-EB200 setup (I have one version behind current - difference is 10K vs 50K Ohm sensors) but there are a couple of things I would note about it:

1. The board reads off of it's own sensors. It doesn't get CPU core temps directly from CPU sensors like coretemp etc. You need to tape a sensor under the cpu block (but not in block to cpu contact area) as described in the TMS-205 manual. In the software there is an offset for each sensor so you can manipulate the reading to match what coretemp is showing but this method isn't perfect as temps fluctuate. When I was running a CPU only loop there was a substantial difference between the "TMS" CPU temp reading and the Coolant temp reading.

2. Since I added a pair of water cooled gtx 590 cards I found that the "TMS" CPU sensor reading stays pretty much in step with the Coolant temp reading.

I purchased this setup so that I didn't need "dial-type" fan and pump controllers in my case bays, so I could adjust and monitor everything in one interface, and because I thought it was cool smile.gif

In the end I find that I leave the pumps on one setting and manually adjust the fans depending on load, ambient temps and sensor readings.

I would buy this (TMS-205/TMS-EB205) again but you may want to try some of the other members suggestions if you want to tie events closer to the true CPU core temperatures and/or save a bit of money.

Edit: Yes you can tie fan speed to different sensors. You can see it in this interface example:

http://www.koolance.com/technical/products/tms-200/images/tms-200_p8.gif

There looks to be more ability in the current version of the software. My interface shows more options than the pic noted above
Edited by Tuthsok - 11/19/11 at 8:09am
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