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R.A.T. 7 List of "Cons" - Why you should think twice before buying it!

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Posted this in another thread but I figured it might be good for organization's sake to have a "con" thread for the R.A.T. 7. Everyone knows the positives, because Mad Catz has no qualms advertising them (and why would they). The negatives however need to see the light of day too. Here we go.
NOTE: I have larger than average hands. I'm 5'10" but with a size 13 (US) shoe, it's likely my hands are like that of someone around 6'1". Just something to keep in mind.


Thumb rest:
Adjustable the wrong way... I want to push it more in, not out!

Pinky rest:
It is not flat, the piece curves upwards. Thus if your pinky is larger than average, you cannot use it

Palm rest:
Rides up way too high. Good mice are designed like a hill. The middle is highest and the front/back dip down. The RAT is designed so the front is lowest, middle is middle, and the back is highest. It's unergonomic.

Precision button:
In order to position yourself to press it, you'll have put so much effort into angling your hand right and pressing down the button fully that the advantage it provides (tighter aim in combat situation) is outweighed by the effort it requires to pull off.

Thumb button layout:
I found it impossible to adjust the mouse so all 3 buttons were clickable. At best I could get it so the middle button was in good position to press and the back button could be hit too if stretching the thumb uncomfortably. At no point was it possible to hit all 3 buttons while holding the mouse in the same position, even when stretching beyond comfort!

Mouse wheel:
Positioned too high. When holding the mouse properly (that is so my thumb is aligned correctly on the thumb rest) I'd be lucky to be able to claim I can even reach the middle of the scroll wheel. And I have long fingers...

Lack of buttons:
At over $100, I expect there to be more than 2 additional buttons.

Don't lie to us:
At over $100, I expect there to be 5 additional buttons when they say 5 additional buttons. Instead 1 of those buttons is locked for precision aiming, and 2 are locked for changing the speed of the mouse pointer. So we are left with 2 programmable buttons... not enough for GAMING if you ask me.
- To be fair you can attain 4 programmable buttons if you remove the precision aiming and DPI functions from the mouse. There is also a button that changes these buttons via 3 modes, for a total of 12 commands. The problem?
1) Removing features to get what is advertised is BS
2) Only 2 of these 4 buttons is actually comfortable to reach in any given mouse position
3) The button to switch modes is so small and poorly placed it's more likely you'll hit the L Mouse button than you will the mode button. Can be a costly mistake when playing a game...

Add your own; Mad Catz have been ripping people off with subpar products for ages! Let people know!
Edited by MarkC9 - 11/18/11 at 12:04pm
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I agree with some of the points mentioned but the side scroll is awesome if you configure it for things like scrolling through tabs, if you adjust the mouse using the kit provided I don't quite understand some of the points mentioned - the precision button has it's flaws I agree but the palm slot can be adjusted with the ones provided aswel as the 'pinky' side slot.

I spend a while changing and configuring mine from the weight to the right angle the side panels should be and after much trial and error I have it the way I want it. Not many mouse or mice lol, can give you that option as such that's one positive that renders the majority of your negatives quite pointless.

Obviously anything said is based on opinion and as a happy R.A.T 7 owner vs you - someone who wasn't fully satisfied with their product, not everything you say can be the 'be all and end all'.

It's all about preference, some of your negatives might not necessarily be the negatives of the many but positives.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And that is why this product is a good one because it highlights just that.
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All you need to say about the RAT series is that they're all 110+ gram brick mice like the Deathadder. Its base weight is the same for everyone, so it's a better place to start a review.
Edited by cuad - 11/18/11 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by narmour View Post

I agree with some of the points mentioned but the side scroll is awesome if you configure it for things like scrolling through tabs, if you adjust the mouse using the kit provided I don't quite understand some of the points mentioned - the precision button has it's flaws I agree but the palm slot can be adjusted with the ones provided aswel as the 'pinky' side slot.
I spend a while changing and configuring mine from the weight to the right angle the side panels should be and after much trial and error I have it the way I want it. Not many mouse or mice lol, can give you that option as such that's one positive that renders the majority of your negatives quite pointless.
Obviously anything said is based on opinion and as a happy R.A.T 7 owner vs you - someone who wasn't fully satisfied with their product, not everything you say can be the 'be all and end all'.
It's all about preference, some of your negatives might not necessarily be the negatives of the many but positives.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And that is why this product is a good one because it highlights just that.
Well yes, I figured it was inferred that this was just my opinion on something rather subjective. tongue.gif

I removed my point about the side scroller, did not know it had to be programmed first to work at all!

My issue with comfort is simple: No matter what extreme (or lack there of) I use in adjusting the mouse, it's just not comfortable. I have found there are a significant amount of people that are as well experiencing this issue.
You say adjust the thumb rest... well I want to adjust it INWARDS, not OUTWARDS. That is not an option. Google will show others have this issue too.
Adjusting the pinky rest isn't possible. That is the drag-less rest. It's 1 piece and is non-adjustable. My pinky jabs into the corner of it. Google will show others have this issue too.
Palm rest... look at other mice. The vast majority of good ones are designed like a full hill. This is designed like one side of the hill. Google will show others have this issue too.

Now you made a good point; it's in their best interest in designing it to suit the needs of MOST, not the FEW that are having issues with it.
I could accept this from a Logitech mouse. From a MS mouse. However not from this mouse. It's advertised as highly adjustable. It's advertised as being able to fit multiple hand sizes and preferences. It's advertised as having 5 additional buttons. These are the main reason I bought it yet I can't say any of this is fully true.
Edited by MarkC9 - 11/18/11 at 11:47am
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