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this was already mentioned.... and ill say again...important or not...enough memory ideally incorporates both of low and high priority uses. use of hdd's is slow ... and i dont want low priority stuff going into HDD... b/c then its 10x slower then what it could be.

This is going to sound kind of ...I don't know...prickish...and I'm sorry for that, I don't mean it to, but as I feel about eveything, enabling/disabling your paging file is a personal decision and you should do whatever you feel comfortable with or whatever works for you. It doesn't matter to me if you choose to run with one or not. You can do what you like. The only reason I wrote that up was because you asked for technical details, so that's what I was trying to provide (in a mannor that everyone could understand).

If you want to run without a paging file, that's fine, I don't care and you probably won't have any issues, I'm just saying, I have less issues having one on my system. I have 12GB of RAM, I never have seen it maxed out and my paging file is set to the Windows minimum size (like I said, I think that is 16MB), so it is basically useless for the OS anyway, but I don't see the "Paging file not found" errors anymore.
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If in fact page filing is only used as an overflow, then I am not opposes to setting up a dedicated partition on one of my sub HDDs. I don't however want to use paging if in fact windows uses it first if available.

I'm not worried about performance here, I have more than enough horsepower to have the entire CS6 master collection open if it were needed, I am however concerned about unnecessary rewrites to my primary SSDs the way the paging system does. In fact I set up Photoshop's scratch' disk on one of my backup HDDs for that very same reason.
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If in fact page filing is only used as an overflow, then I am not opposes to setting up a dedicated partition on one of my sub HDDs. I don't however want to use paging if in fact windows uses it first if available.
I'm not worried about performance here, I have more than enough horsepower to have the entire CS6 master collection open if it were needed, I am however concerned about unnecessary rewrites to my primary SSDs the way the paging system does. In fact I set up Photoshop's scratch' disk on one of my backup HDDs for that very same reason.

Unfortunately you can't move the paging file, it has to be on the OS drive. Or, I should say, if you do move it, Windows will recreate it on the OS drive when the computer is booted up the next time.

Windows uses the paging file in 2 ways, as Duck stated, as overflow and as a place to store info that is open, but has not been used for a longer period of time, but this again, as far as I've ever seen, is only for overflow as well, as the OS is just freeing up space for programs that are being used.

What I'll say (since so many people have a problem with having a paging file on the SSDs) is go ahead and disable it, run without it and see if it causes you any issues. I'll add the caveat that you may run into issues (programs erroring, computer freezes, etc), so while you are trying this out, save early / save often. But if you don't like having it there, run with it disable and see what you experience.

Since we all have different setups and run different software, no one can tell you if you need it or not, you have to find that out on your own. With me, I used software that would throw an error if it wasn't there, so I chose to enable it, shrink it down and be done. It’s all in what you want / need from your rig, so you will have to be the one to decide.
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Here's a technical explanation: http://blogs.technet.com/b/markrussinovich/archive/2008/11/17/3155406.aspx

Cheers, I'll give it a serious perusal later tonight!
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Unfortunately you can't move the paging file, it has to be on the OS drive. Or, I should say, if you do move it, Windows will recreate it on the OS drive when the computer is booted up the next time.
Windows uses the paging file in 2 ways, as Duck stated, as overflow and as a place to store info that is open, but has not been used for a longer period of time, but this again, as far as I've ever seen, is only for overflow as well, as the OS is just freeing up space for programs that are being used.
What I'll say (since so many people have a problem with having a paging file on the SSDs) is go ahead and disable it, run without it and see if it causes you any issues. I'll add the caveat that you may run into issues (programs erroring, computer freezes, etc), so while you are trying this out, save early / save often. But if you don't like having it there, run with it disable and see what you experience.
Since we all have different setups and run different software, no one can tell you if you need it or not, you have to find that out on your own. With me, I used software that would throw an error if it wasn't there, so I chose to enable it, shrink it down and be done. It’s all in what you want / need from your rig, so you will have to be the one to decide.


Well I have just now set up a dedicated partition on my 'Archive' HDD, I use as I said before as an adobe scratch disk and as an archive for large format textures used in both 3d and 2d applications, so I don't mind using it as a paging 'mule'.

In the mean time I'll read that article and whatever else I can come across, but for now I'll be testing it with page file off on my primaries. Thanks for your input.
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Here's a technical explanation: http://blogs.technet.com/b/markrussinovich/archive/2008/11/17/3155406.aspx

That was a great read, thanks for posting it!
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Not sure why name calling is necessary, threads are meant to be fluid and should be resurrected if relevant rather than creating a random fragmented database with everyone asking the same questions in twenty different threads.

^^ This! Nicely said, Cyber. thumb.gif


EDIT: And the fact that there are 14 Members and 2 Guests currently viewing it says it's still relevant!
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I’m just going to address both of the above posts with one response to keep things short.
First: Your paging file is a flexible file size up to a certain max. Windows typically sets this max size depending on the size of the HDD (or SSD) it is installed on, up to a maximum of 4GB (IIRC). What I mean by it is a flexible file is that it will change size depending on how much is actually being used by the OS, which if you have a good amount of RAM, let’s just say 8GB or more will probably always be zero.
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nd: When you are setting the size of the paging file, you are not actually saying the file will be a certain size, you are saying this is the most Windows can use on the HDD/SSD for RAM storage (or overflow).
Third: In Windows you can disable the paging file all together. For most tasks this is not a problem if you have enough RAM to support what you are doing at any given time on the computer. However, there are two scenarios in which you will run into problems if you disable the paging file. The first case is if you are doing a number of different things at once and you do end up using/needing more RAM than you physically have. If there is no paging file, this can cause Windows errors and depending on the programs running, could cause the computer to freeze. Now, since most of us have 8GB or more RAM and don’t do things that heavily tax the RAM we have installed, this is not a problem, however there is a secondary issue…
Some programs check for a paging file and will throw an error if one is not found. For the life of me I can’t think of any examples of this, but I know I kept running into it when I first installed my SSD and I disabled my paging file. After doing some research, what I found was that these programs check for a paging file, but don’t look at the max size or even care. To keep this from happening, what I have done (and what I recommend to others) is to leave the paging file enabled, but shrink it to the smallest possible size Windows allows (which I believe is 16MB, but it will tell you when you go into the system to adjust it).
What this means…Yes, you will still have the dreaded paging file on your system, however, since you obviously have enough RAM that it isn’t used, and it is so small that it is nearly useless, it will almost never (if ever) have anything written to it. So, the programs that do check for it will find it and keep them from throwing an error, but it will probably never be used.
Anyway, this is just my advice, I am by no means an expert, I can only tell you from my own experience and what I have researched in the past.

that is exactly what i did. even though I have 16GB of RAM. thumb.gif
    
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I have an 8GB and after extended gaming sessions my ram fills up and fps drops, my remedy was just run "%windir%\system32\rundll32.exe advapi32.dll,ProcessIdleTasks" from the desktop which clears the ram with a click I always do that b4 gaming and if my gameplay gets sluggish usually always works.
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