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Upgrading from MX518/G500 - help!

post #1 of 6
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I've used both these mice to death, had to RMA the G500 twice already, I will do so again but intend to sell the one they send me.

I'm happy with the shape/feel of both, maybe with a slight preference to the MX518 but am hoping theres something else people can recommend me other than the G400 as I like the extra features of the G500 (hyperscroll, dpi indicator and extra buttons). I would prefer an optical sensor as I'm somewhat blaming the laser sensor of the G500 for the RMAs I've had to go through with mine. Build quality/durability is very important to me, as is ease of RMA.

What do you guys recommend? The other mice I was looking at before, perhaps a year or so ago were the Deathadder and CM Sentinel Advance, hesitant to go with the Deathadder as I've heard that they die quickly and Razer aren't so good with returns.

Too lazy to read a million reviews or trawl forums for user experiences again tongue.gif

EDIT:
Just read the sticky:
I'm switch between fingertip/pam grip,
I use different dpis from 800-1050 or so,
Don't care about budget so much,
Extra buttons are good,
I play TF2/SC2,
Would prefer no prediction but don't mind so much,
Edited by Buttnose - 11/18/11 at 3:20pm
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Ended up picking the G400 after reading reviews and trawling forums anyway tongue.gif


Heres a bunch of other brands/mice I considered and why I didn't go for them:
Razer Deathadder
Alot of reports of being easy to break, I'm also not confident in their RMA.

Puretrak Valor
DPI cannot be changed? Ugly.

Coolermaster
All use the Phillips twineye sensor, which I've seen being put down alot.

Steelseries
Seem very overpriced, with very little to justifiy the extra price besides CPI adjustment and ambidextrous shape. Very interested in the Kana and Kinzu V2 but not willing to wait.

Cyborg RAT
Phillips twineye sensor, not convinced that they'd be comfortable.

Microsoft Sidewinder
Looks awful, not sure if the Avago 6010 sensor in them is any good.

Roccat/Zowie/Gigabyte
Too lazy to read reviews on them right now. (Kova+, Zowie EC2 and (?) are flagship models?)


The reasons I've chosen the G400 over all the others are:
Its definately got a good sensor,
Proven comfortable shape,
MX518 build quality back by Logitech RMA,
Interesting software with new macro functionality and better integrated game detection than MX518?
Price wasn't one my main criteria but being almost the cheapest real gaming mouse out there makes it very hard to turn down.

Starting to imagine my dream mouse would have:
Avago 3090 sensor,
G500/CM storm inferno shape,
Omron switches,
Steelseries CPI adjustment,
DPI adjustment,
DPI indicator light,
CM Storm inferno macro profile switch button,
G400 macro mouse movement/keypress button assignment,
G500 Hyperscroll,
Lightweight body + optional weight system,
MX518/tanklike build quality,
Logitech customer service and lifetime warranty.

Looking forward to the Steelseries Kinzu V2/Kana, Zowie AM/AM GS, but highly doubt they will have all of that. Hope my reasoning will make it a tad easier for others to make their own minds up.
Edited by Buttnose - 11/21/11 at 8:02pm
post #3 of 6
The Deathadder is the only Razer product that I've owned that has not crapped out on me, it is actually pretty solid compared to some of my Logitech mice.

The Valor has switchable DPI but it has jittering and acceleration problems and it doesn't look like Puretrak is going to release the firmware they promised Valor owners.

CM makes a non-PTE mouse called the Spawn although it probably wouldn't have been a right choice for you since the Spawn is more a claw grip mouse and it's much smaller than the G400.

I don't have first hand experience with the G400 but from what I've read it's a solid mouse, it just has some jitter problems on non-standard DPI's with the drivers. I'm actually buying one myself since they're on sale at Amazon right because I love the shape (same shape as the G5 I own) but I want to know if prediction will be bother me or not.
post #4 of 6
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikhr View Post

The Deathadder is the only Razer product that I've owned that has not crapped out on me, it is actually pretty solid compared to some of my Logitech mice.
The Valor has switchable DPI but it has jittering and acceleration problems and it doesn't look like Puretrak is going to release the firmware they promised Valor owners.
CM makes a non-PTE mouse called the Spawn although it probably wouldn't have been a right choice for you since the Spawn is more a claw grip mouse and it's much smaller than the G400.
I don't have first hand experience with the G400 but from what I've read it's a solid mouse, it just has some jitter problems on non-standard DPI's with the drivers. I'm actually buying one myself since they're on sale at Amazon right because I love the shape (same shape as the G5 I own) but I want to know if prediction will be bother me or not.

Yeah I've read mixed reports about the Deathadders build quality, but too many negative to ignore - especially when compared to the almost unanimous acclaim for the MX518, which I've experienced firsthand.

Was sure I read that the DPI wasn't switchable on the Valor, but yeah I heard about the firmware issues too - really suprising considering how customer orientated they seemed during the development stage!

CM Spawn looks just way too tiny for my hands/gripstyle, same with the Xornet - checked the comments on the User comparison spreadsheet https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AtxNAmTrTcySdEo0NktYanAwbUhSWFlmMlQ5dWxGQmc&gid=1 and you were right, totally inappropriate for palm users.

Thanks for mentioning the jitter, I've seen it but I'm not totally convinced by the complaints and have also heard tell of workarounds for it.

Anyone post a bit about the Steelseries Kinzu V2/Kana, Zowie AM/AM GS and Gigabyte mice? I'm still interested in knowing whether they'd have met my requirements better than the G400. I'm a sucker for buyers remorse tongue.gif
post #5 of 6
Thread Starter 
Bump

Yet again experiencing the dreaded cable disconnect with my G400, so much for tanklike build quality. That makes 3 G500s, 1 MX518 and now a G400 within err, 3 years? All dying of the same problem!

Will be looking at mice again tommorow, how have the Kinzu V2, Kana and Zowie AM/GS turned out? I'm quite close to just picking up a Deathadder.

I've started looking at mice in a new light - how sturdy their cable connection to the interior/pcb looks!
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new-razer-deathadder-mouse-cable-18m-miscrosoft-mouse-cpc861n.jpg
Little baby plug...give me screws!


EDIT:
Now I'm reading horror stories about Deathadder owners having to send back their mice within days because of the left click button getting stuck or being unresponsive. Good god! Someone just make me a MX518 with its cable connection stapled to the pcb and I'll be happy! doh.gif
Edited by Buttnose - 1/13/12 at 5:18pm
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I'm curious as to how you're using your mice? I think you're able to break any mice to be completely honest.
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