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lol, well, my suitemate ( who has a U2312HM) and I (with a VH236H ) decided to play BC2 and test them both out (Dual monitor). The colors on the dell definitely outdid those on my ASUS (both at their standard settings). The difference is more noticeable with whites and "natural" colors (for lack of a better term). The colors on the dell came across as more natural. And there was no way I could get my whites to be as "pure" as his after a little playing around. (However, I do/did not ever notice this without the monitors being next to each other).

We probably will do other tests, but imho, I did not notice any input lag from the dell. Maybe I just have dulled senses, but I want to say that for most people like me, gaming on an IPS won;t be a problem. Of course, if you are the kind of person that notices input lag on 60Hz (and freaks out when your game is running at 50fps), then you probably should rather invest in a 120Hz display over a 60Hz IPS display.
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I'd an IPS panel display (like the ultrasharps) if you are interested in vivid and lifelike color. If you aren't that picky it might not be worth the money as it's not life changing. Side by side with a regular monitor an IPS panel display is a better looking, that is all.
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I agree with senna, and not because I'm Italian.

Although I also agree that Prad.de does the most in depth, honest and unbiased reviews on the web - which I have already posted.

I am also looking for a new monitor. Therefore, I am doing my best to provide also an unbiased and objective opinion based on personal experience so I too can make the correct decision.

I do NOT like my U2410 for gaming whatsoever. Why, you may ask?

The colors are decent compared to other IPS models in the same price range. For $500, I would expect them to be decent or better. I have the yellow tint, so I am not happy. Gaming is not smooth. Input lag is not noticeable, but I'm not too prone to noticing that anyways. My primary concern is the fact that textures blur (ghosting) in fast-paced games. HoN seems to be fine because I don't notice input lag, but MW3 is awful due to the ghosting. If I had a Dota 2 key, I would test that, but I haven't gotten lucky yet. frown.gif

Why am I not getting a 120hz TN panel for gaming?

16:9. I like 16:10 and my PPI. And most good gaming monitors are 23", so I'm not too happy with losing an inch as well as the vertical resolution just to play games. Once again, I miss the old days when 4:3 was the standard and everyone had the same advantage (CRT).

What should I/you do?

At this point (and I hope this helps the OP), I am considering getting a high end IPS and a top-of-the-line gaming monitor. I don't know if I will, but it's a possibility. This way, I can have the best of both worlds. Gaming on a 120hz TN and everything else on a 16:10 beauty - cause the Dell can easily be outdone.

If you want a gaming monitor, look at the Planar SA2311w - apparently the best 120hz out at the moment. If you want an IPS, the U2412m is an okay IPS monitor that does decent in games at a reasonable price - it performs better than the U2410 in games.
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Originally Posted by senna89 View Post

if u want to stay whit ips-fanboys company ok, but dont say that ultrasharp is good for gaming when all review say the contrary !
i had any "VENDETTA" ( double "T", this is ITALIAN WORD - my nationality ), i say only my objective opinions about it.
u dont belive ? try deus ex and open your eyes.

I'm playing deus ex right now with my eyes wide open and no ghost at all. In fact it looks amazing, and I'm not an IPS famboy. In fact I just got my first IPS last weak.

And sorry for the misspell on Vendetta. My native lengua is spanish. I don't speak italian, and english is my second lenguage, so is natural that I made some mistakes once in a while.
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if u want to stay whit ips-fanboys company ok, but dont say that ultrasharp is good for gaming when all review say the contrary !
i had any "VENDETTA" ( double "T", this is ITALIAN WORD - my nationality ), i say only my objective opinions about it.
u dont belive ? try deus ex and open your eyes.

You keep ignoring personal preference. You behave like the things you bring up are the only things there is to about the monitors in question.
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We probably will do other tests, but imho, I did not notice any input lag from the dell. Maybe I just have dulled senses, but I want to say that for most people like me, gaming on an IPS won;t be a problem. Of course, if you are the kind of person that notices input lag on 60Hz (and freaks out when your game is running at 50fps), then you probably should rather invest in a 120Hz display over a 60Hz IPS display.

The dell u2312hm has the lowest input lag I've ever seen a monitor measured for (aside from CRT monitors that have none), at 0.6-1ms. (Depends on which source you trust with this number) You are guaranteed to not notice it, for it is too low to be noticed. The input lag people complain about happens on the higher end models by some companies. For example, in the dell lineup, u2410, 2709w, u2711, 3008wfp, u3011 (among some others) all have a decent bit of input lag at 20-40ms. That is noticeable, but it only applies to some models, not every model.
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Let's all keep in mind that the U2312HM is a wannabe TN panel.

Well...actually not really at all, but they share a very important similarity: 16:9. Not the most important, especially considering IPS has much better viewing angles and colors, but worth mentioning if you are looking for a 16:10 IPS to replace a 16:9 for a gaming monitor.

Also, the 0.6ms is inaccurate. Granted it doesn't really matter because the accurate figure is 1.1ms, but once again worth mentioning.

EDIT: Btw De-Zant, thanks for your help in my other thread.
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You keep ignoring personal preference. You behave like the things you bring up are the only things there is to about the monitors in question.
The dell u2312hm has the lowest input lag I've ever seen a monitor measured for (aside from CRT monitors that have none), at 0.6-1ms. (Depends on which source you trust with this number) You are guaranteed to not notice it, for it is too low to be noticed. The input lag people complain about happens on the higher end models by some companies. For example, in the dell lineup, u2410, 2709w, u2711, 3008wfp, u3011 (among some others) all have a decent bit of input lag at 20-40ms. That is noticeable, but it only applies to some models, not every model.
As a gamer, I'm sure input lag is the main concern (nothing worse than not feeling connected to your characters movements), but is ghosting really that relevant to gaming? The U2312HM is really interesting with the low input lag and high viewing angles.
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Let's all keep in mind that the U2312HM is a wannabe TN panel.
Well...actually not really at all, but they share a very important similarity: 16:9. Not the most important, especially considering IPS has much better viewing angles and colors, but worth mentioning if you are looking for a 16:10 IPS to replace a 16:9 for a gaming monitor.
Also, the 0.6ms is inaccurate. Granted it doesn't really matter because the accurate figure is 1.1ms, but once again worth mentioning.
EDIT: Btw De-Zant, thanks for your help in my other thread.

TN != 16:9
Also, 16:9 is the standard (1920x1080) so it's a more attractive aspect ratio to the average user (this monitor is obviously not aimed at high-budget photo editors). In modern games it has better FOV and you don't get black bars in movies. The U2312HM is not a worse product than 16:10 IPS monitors, it's a different product with different features.

And 1.1 ms is unheard of, it's ridiculously fast. My TN is 1-2 frames.
Edited by B!0HaZard - 11/23/11 at 10:25am
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TN != 16:9
Also, 16:9 is the standard (1920x1080) so it's a more attractive aspect ratio to the average user (this monitor is obviously not aimed at high-budget photo editors). In modern games it has better FOV and you don't get black bars in movies. The U2312HM is not a worse product than 16:10 IPS monitors, it's a different product with different features.
And 1.1 ms is unheard of, it's ridiculously fast. My TN is 1-2 frames.

I will say that a 16:9 aspect ratio has one reason that makes it so attractive and popular: movies (1080p). I believe the popularity of 16:9 stems from this and the ability to produce cheap 16:9 panels has skyrocketed their popularity in the consumer industry. I don't see why any underbudgeted person wouldn't get a 16:9 display - I mean I'm even getting one specifically for gaming.

I understand the FOV differences between 16:10 and 16:9, so let's make absolutely sure to leave that out of here before it dominates the thread, but I agree here. This makes the U2312HM much more appealing in my honest opinion as a gaming/movie monitor. The IPS effect will be decent in terms of web browsing and whatnot, but it will drastically suffer due to the PPI though will certainly be better than TN panels for every-day activities.

The input lag is fantastic. However, I am hopeful that I can be safe to say that there is nobody in this world that will notice a difference between 0.6ms, 1.1ms or 3ms. Once you get into 5ms range and higher I can understand, but lower than that and it's physically impossible.

Personally, I am choosing against this monitor because I don't notice input lag very much. I prefer smoothness over input lag, unless input lag is noticeably bad. Therefore, I am looking at the AW2310/SA2311W for the 120Hz and low input lag. I think it would be a slightly better pick solely for gaming. I will be getting an Eizo CG243W for my IPS needs.

Good price for a gaming IPS though. I don't see any reason to get a TN panel over this unless you want 120Hz, which I unfortunately do.
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I will say that a 16:9 aspect ratio has one reason that makes it so attractive and popular: movies (1080p). I believe the popularity of 16:9 stems from this and the ability to produce cheap 16:9 panels has skyrocketed their popularity in the consumer industry. I don't see why any underbudgeted person wouldn't get a 16:9 display - I mean I'm even getting one specifically for gaming.
I understand the FOV differences between 16:10 and 16:9, so let's make absolutely sure to leave that out of here before it dominates the thread, but I agree here. This makes the U2312HM much more appealing in my honest opinion as a gaming/movie monitor. The IPS effect will be decent in terms of web browsing and whatnot, but it will drastically suffer due to the PPI though will certainly be better than TN panels for every-day activities.
The input lag is fantastic. However, I am hopeful that I can be safe to say that there is nobody in this world that will notice a difference between 0.6ms, 1.1ms or 3ms. Once you get into 5ms range and higher I can understand, but lower than that and it's physically impossible.
Personally, I am choosing against this monitor because I don't notice input lag very much. I prefer smoothness over input lag, unless input lag is noticeably bad. Therefore, I am looking at the AW2310/SA2311W for the 120Hz and low input lag. I think it would be a slightly better pick solely for gaming. I will be getting an Eizo CG243W for my IPS needs.
Good price for a gaming IPS though. I don't see any reason to get a TN panel over this unless you want 120Hz, which I unfortunately do.

Ye, wouldn't want to start yet another FOV discussion :/

I think price was what made 16:9 popular, it's much cheaper to make 16:9. Movies probably just went with it.

I agree that less than 5 ms is unnoticeable, but as I said, a lot of monitors have upwards of 40 ms input lag, even TN panels. The U2312HM is far superior to most monitors in terms of input lag. Makes it very attractive, especially with the low price. I paid 40% more back in 2009 (I think) for my 24" TN which is worse in every way except resolution.
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Ye, wouldn't want to start yet another FOV discussion :/
I think price was what made 16:9 popular, it's much cheaper to make 16:9. Movies probably just went with it.
I agree that less than 5 ms is unnoticeable, but as I said, a lot of monitors have upwards of 40 ms input lag, even TN panels. The U2312HM is far superior to most monitors in terms of input lag. Makes it very attractive, especially with the low price. I paid 40% more back in 2009 (I think) for my 24" TN which is worse in every way except resolution.

+rep for intelligent posting.

Unfortunately I agree. 16:9 was a popular TN panel and we have LG to thank for the mass hysteria that is awful viewing angles and poor colors. Bravo.

I mean I can even understand how people notice issues on a U2410 which has calculated response times of 12-16ms with gaming mode activated. I don't even use gaming mode and I don't notice a difference, but I can definitely understand how some people might notice it if it's that high. I believe I read it was 16ms = 1 frame.

Like I said, I don't see a single reason why one would not get this for gaming unless 120Hz is required. Otherwise, it seems near perfect for a 23".
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