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So after checking out this thread, the wife and I have fallen in love with those Habey cases. We're not sure which size/color we want just yet, but we're dead set on one. This HTPC will be our second, and be put in out bedroom. Basically what I have to deal with is a $150 budget for the CPU and mobo. I have been looking at a lot of the all in one CPU Mobo combos like this and was wondering how they fair for HTPCs? It would have to play bluray movies streamed via wifi from my server. My other HTPC does this just fine through wifi, so I know it can be done. I have read a lot of the reviews of various boards, some saying they plays flawless 1080, others saying it's impossible to even do 720.. Are APUs going to do a better job then Atoms? Is there a better alternative then those two, that will still fit in my price range?

Oh and a dedicated GPU is out of the question because the case doesn't have an opening for the PCI slot. And if it makes any sort of difference, there is a chance I am going with XBMC Live as my OS so input on that as well would be very helpful!

Any help would be.. Well.. Helpful! Thanks in advance!
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It should be fine. I believe APUs do perform slightly better than Atoms. Based on my experience though, I can build an HTPC with pretty much any 4-5 year old components if I wanted it to play HD videos. Anything modern should do you just fine.
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In my exp with the e350 I had good success with lower bitrate movies, at times it would be unplayable with blu-ray remuxes. From what I have read it may be an issue of the NIC but I am not sure. I gave it to my sister and she plays 720p mkv's all day with it.
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And I am to stupid to find the EDIT button at the moment.
If you go with an e350, take a look at http://www.openelec.tv/ . You will probably have issues with XBMC live but the openelec team has been made with the e350 in mind!
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And I am to stupid to find the EDIT button at the moment.
If you go with an e350, take a look at http://www.openelec.tv/ . You will probably have issues with XBMC live but the openelec team has been made with the e350 in mind!

Its the little pencil under your post, left side. thumb.gif

OP: I also really like those cases, and maybe you will fair better with temperatures than Ben the OCer is having. You can mod it somehow to blow air across both the CPU and NB sink, since the fins are oriented to your advantage, left to right. I am unable to comment on how well that combo will work for you, but I do hear some comments regarding stuttering on HD tasks. This may be a good read for you, G3D stated;
Quote:
You however can browse the web really well, even with very rich web content. Next to that you have your HD video capability working extraordinary well also.

G3D Review
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I think an E-350 board would work just fine. I got an open box Asrock E350M1 for $63.99 so you can get a pretty amazing deal if you keep a lookout. I haven't had much time to test mine but was pleasantly surprised by the speed (although I did test it with an SSD so that could be deceiving). There might also be decent Black Friday and Cyber Monday deals at Newegg and other sites. Basically as long as you stay away from Atom you should be fine. If you want to be sure the HD playback will be smooth I'd go with a desktop APU. You can go Llano like me or Dual-Core Sandy Bridge. While the GPU in Sandy Bridge isn't amazing it should be fine for HD content. Here are some builds for you to consider:

AMD Llano
Llano A4-3300 2.5GHz APU: $59.99 shipped
Asrock A75M-ITX Mobo: $78.99 shipped GOBBLE (expires 11/21)
Total: $138.98

Intel Sandy Bridge
Pentium Dual-Core G620: $62.99 shipped after code EMCJJJC34 (expires 11/22)
Asus P8H61-I ITX Mobo: $70.49 shipped after code GOBBLE (expires 11/21)
Total: $133.48

Both systems have their pluses and minuses. The biggest advantage of the Llano system is its GPU, while the HD6410D doesn't have 400SPs like the A8-3850 it still has a decent 160SPs (the discreet HD6450 has the same amount and the lower SPs is somewhat to your advantage because it means lower power consumption). You may or may not need to underclock/undervolt this model but one thing I ran into is if you do it disables Cool'n'Quiet. So instead of idling at 800MHz I'm stuck at a constant 1.6GHz. The undervolting made it so it still consumed slightly less power at idle but it is kind of annoying. I'm not sure why this is the case since when I OC my 1055T it can still have Cool'n'Quiet on.

For Sandy Bridge you could go with a 35W G620T or G630T, but you're paying more to get less speed. Plus the power consumption difference isn't as much as you might think compared to the regular models: link. The only advantage with the 35W models is that they come with a super low profile cooler that would probably fit in the Habey case. The regular models are cheaper so you can have your pick of coolers. Plus you could underclock and undervolt a regular model to get the same or better results as a 35W model. The Dual-Core Sandy Bridge chips are very low power so they are a great option for this system and the LGA1155 socket gives you upgrade options (currently only the i3s given the power consumption limits but that might include Ivy Bridge down the road if it's LGA1155 compatible).

With either build I suggested, you will probably need to buy a separate low profile cooler, so keep that in mind.

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Originally Posted by rockosmodlife View Post

Its the little pencil under your post, left side. thumb.gif
OP: I also really like those cases, and maybe you will fair better with temperatures than Ben the OCer is having. You can mod it somehow to blow air across both the CPU and NB sink, since the fins are oriented to your advantage, left to right. I am unable to comment on how well that combo will work for you, but I do hear some comments regarding stuttering on HD tasks. This may be a good read for you, G3D stated;
Quote:
You however can browse the web really well, even with very rich web content. Next to that you have your HD video capability working extraordinary well also.
G3D Review
The temps are actually not bad with my modded fan position. Plus with some new fans coming it should get even better.
Edited by Ben the OCer - 11/21/11 at 10:25am
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The temps are actually not bad with my modded fan position. Plus with some new fans coming it should get even better.

I just meant before your mod thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by brackberry View Post

It should be fine. I believe APUs do perform slightly better than Atoms. Based on my experience though, I can build an HTPC with pretty much any 4-5 year old components if I wanted it to play HD videos. Anything modern should do you just fine.

It's starting to look like you're right. Atoms definitely seem to be lacking a bit versus APUs. Thanks!
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And I am to stupid to find the EDIT button at the moment.
If you go with an e350, take a look at http://www.openelec.tv/ . You will probably have issues with XBMC live but the openelec team has been made with the e350 in mind!

VERY cool! I really like it! So it makes XBMC live so that it's a bit more than JUST an XBMC OS? I may use that no matter what I end up getting! Thanks!!
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Originally Posted by rockosmodlife View Post

Its the little pencil under your post, left side. thumb.gif
OP: I also really like those cases, and maybe you will fair better with temperatures than Ben the OCer is having. You can mod it somehow to blow air across both the CPU and NB sink, since the fins are oriented to your advantage, left to right. I am unable to comment on how well that combo will work for you, but I do hear some comments regarding stuttering on HD tasks. This may be a good read for you, G3D stated;
Quote:
You however can browse the web really well, even with very rich web content. Next to that you have your HD video capability working extraordinary well also.
G3D Review

I have some things in mind to make it a bit cooler. But honestly I am fine with having it be on the warm side. As long as it's never over heating, it should be fine. I plan on having it sleep unless we are watching something (which will still probably be a lot of use especially at night). So as long as it can handle 3-4+ hour runs with LotR, we will be happy. biggrin.gif Thanks for the link. It was interesting!
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Originally Posted by Ben the OCer View Post

I think an E-350 board would work just fine. I got an open box Asrock E350M1 for $63.99 so you can get a pretty amazing deal if you keep a lookout. I haven't had much time to test mine but was pleasantly surprised by the speed (although I did test it with an SSD so that could be deceiving). There might also be decent Black Friday and Cyber Monday deals at Newegg and other sites. Basically as long as you stay away from Atom you should be fine. If you want to be sure the HD playback will be smooth I'd go with a desktop APU. You can go Llano like me or Dual-Core Sandy Bridge. While the GPU in Sandy Bridge isn't amazing it should be fine for HD content. Here are some builds for you to consider:
AMD Llano
Llano A4-3300 2.5GHz APU: $59.99 shipped
Asrock A75M-ITX Mobo: $78.99 shipped GOBBLE (expires 11/21)
Total: $138.98
Intel Sandy Bridge
Pentium Dual-Core G620: $62.99 shipped after code EMCJJJC34 (expires 11/22)
Asus P8H61-I ITX Mobo: $70.49 shipped after code GOBBLE (expires 11/21)
Total: $133.48
Both systems have their pluses and minuses. The biggest advantage of the Llano system is its GPU, while the HD6410D doesn't have 400SPs like the A8-3850 it still has a decent 160SPs (the discreet HD6450 has the same amount and the lower SPs is somewhat to your advantage because it means lower power consumption). You may or may not need to underclock/undervolt this model but one thing I ran into is if you do it disables Cool'n'Quiet. So instead of idling at 800MHz I'm stuck at a constant 1.6GHz. The undervolting made it so it still consumed slightly less power at idle but it is kind of annoying. I'm not sure why this is the case since when I OC my 1055T it can still have Cool'n'Quiet on.
For Sandy Bridge you could go with a 35W G620T or G630T, but you're paying more to get less speed. Plus the power consumption difference isn't as much as you might think compared to the regular models: link. The only advantage with the 35W models is that they come with a super low profile cooler that would probably fit in the Habey case. The regular models are cheaper so you can have your pick of coolers. Plus you could underclock and undervolt a regular model to get the same or better results as a 35W model. The Dual-Core Sandy Bridge chips are very low power so they are a great option for this system and the LGA1155 socket gives you upgrade options (currently only the i3s given the power consumption limits but that might include Ivy Bridge down the road if it's LGA1155 compatible).
With either build I suggested, you will probably need to buy a separate low profile cooler, so keep that in mind.
The temps are actually not bad with my modded fan position. Plus with some new fans coming it should get even better.

Woah! Lot's of good stuff here! I hadn't thought about getting a low profile cooler, so I'm glad you mentioned that. Woulda stunk to put everything together just to find out I have to wait a couple more days to ship a new heatsink. *facepalm* I think I am going to go with a regular desktop cpu just because it seems with the Habey cases (still not sure if I want one with a disk drive), they don't have a lot of air circulation, which is really needed for fanless heatsinks. I think I am going to lean towards finding a used i3 and a good mobo.


Thanks for the advice everyone! +rep
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