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Here are a couple links.... good reading. Keep in mind that nVida uses the exact same cuda technology on one hand to market to people like us, (the typical consumer), then on the other had, disables HALF of the half DP capabiltiy buillt into the Fermi architecture, (just to increase Tesla sales. After all,..... who is gonna pay $2500 for something that will DESTROY it for $599? [MSI GTX 5803Gb Lightning]).
Guys at team SETI.usa got realllllly p.o.'d when they found out about this!biggrin.gif (post #32 and down) That is some good reading, too.
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=164417
http://www.nvidia.com/object/why-choose-tesla.html
Comparison between Quadro, Tesla, and GTX:
http://jeffpatton.net/2010/11/gtxquadrotesla-my-opinion-on-todays-gpu-selections-for-rendering/
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Interesting reading and while ya'll point out the ONE negative of the Tesla/Consumer grade stuff, I would also emphasize a few things that get left out.

1) Nvidia is a company, needs to make profit and nobody that isn't the CEO or Technical VP could probably run it as well as it is currently done... backyard criticizers with 20/20 hindsight excepted.

2) Since Nvidia makes the products, they can do what they want. However, as consumers, we can make polite suggestions and requests.

3) Tesla has 2 DMA controllers to speed up things, ECC memory (and more of it), and much higher testing/quality criteria all raising costs.

4) Comparing the GTX series to the Tesla series is like comparing the Corvette Z1 to the Porsche 911 S Turbo... which costs more? Both pretty fast, but both different animals.

Since we as BOINC'ers have no real control, complaining about something that is a strategy and manufacturing decision is moot.. However, GPU computing is a relatively new area in general and I have to say Nvidia did NOT have to support CUDA for general consumption as they have. Their software support is dedicated and real time with constant improvements. We are still seeing many improvements to drivers, CUDA and ATI OpenCL as well.

In my view, there is no reason to be angry or emotionally criticize strategy because we are on the outside looking in, not concerned with folks paychecks and building taxes and such that runs a business. And, as it is, GAMERS far outnumber BOINC'ers at the present and have no complaints!!! Nvidia stuff works as does ATI stuff.

So, all in all, it's interesting and helps explain why ATI is faster on many things. Good general information. But I take exception with the tone and perceived attitudes on many of the posts I read. That is to be expected I suppose since it's so easy to get an AMD vs. Intel flame war started in forums... so too is GPU card comparisons I guess.

Bottom line is Nvidia does what they do and we really can't know the exact decision process or even participate in it directly... except with our wallets. Maybe BOINC'ers really need to be purchasing Tesla products... but "I" for one can't afford them...

So, along those lines, I make due with what I have and if it isn't the fastest or the best, then at least they work! LOL!

A bit off topic, but.....

I BOINC for fun and fellowship with other BOINC'ers world wide to support worthy causes that can benefit all of us. That is enough for me. The POINTS thing and "combined" points competition is secondary, and fun if not taken seriously. It is however part of the total glue for participation by folks and that is what it's all about! I love and enjoy the talks we all have, the hardware discussions, the strategy talks, all of it; but that is all secondary to just pure participation with whatever one can afford.

In my view, the person running a Pent-M 1.3GHz laptop is doing as much good as one running quad 6990's with dual XEONs. One never knows who will get that special WU that solves a problem somewhere... And, most important, the PERSON, the real life participant behind the Pent-M laptop is no less important than the QUAD 6990 person and should not ever be treated poorly for lack of "ultra high" point generation. People participate within their means and all are a blessing to the whole for that reason. Every participant is important and their personal equipment isn't a factor to me at all.

The ONLY thing "I" really care about is that others care enough to participate. Period. That caring is the stuff that comes from the heart, that compassion, that spark that looks forward and sees the benefits of folding/crunching. All are special in my eyes... with some extremely few special exceptions...

Have a nice day!

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I'm not complaining too loudly, I hope biggrin.gif. While I see no need to purposefully disable capabilities, it is and probably will remain an industry norm for sometime to come. This is supposed to be an (almost) charitable endeavor. Again, it's something that's donated, hopefully for the greater good of mankind. And of course, we as the consumer have the ultimate choice in who we wish to support with our purchases, so in a way, we are empowered decision makers. The real point I was trying to make is that: Consumer grade gpu's have an extraordinary amount of processing power. I think that we have a really great BOINC team, and I'm glad that so many individuals realize that this hardware does no good sitting idle. If my gpu is rated at 10years operation straight gaming, it's going to be well obsolete before it dies of natural causes. Might as well get some use out 'em.smile.gif

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I'm not complaining too loudly, I hope biggrin.gif. While I see no need to purposefully disable capabilities, it is and probably will remain an industry norm for sometime to come. This is supposed to be an (almost) charitable endeavor. Again, it's something that's donated, hopefully for the greater good of mankind. And of course, we as the consumer have the ultimate choice in who we wish to support with our purchases, so in a way, we are empowered decision makers. The real point I was trying to make is that: Consumer grade gpu's have an extraordinary amount of processing power. I think that we have a really great BOINC team, and I'm glad that so many individuals realize that this hardware does no good sitting idle. If my gpu is rated at 10years operation straight gaming, it's going to be well obsolete before it dies of natural causes. Might as well get some use out 'em.smile.gif
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You are not loud at all, you provided information and facts. As I said, it was reading all those other posts that gave me a bad feeling. And groups of folks "ganging up" to criticize Nvidia are just normal human behavior that I happen to disagree with due to the tone and stance.

BOINC'ers yelling at the folks that provide us hardware and name calling never get it with me. Fact is, Consumer vs. Professional systems are and always will be separate and unequal areas for good reasons. BOINC'ers saying otherwise are pizzing into the wind IMHO. Might as well criticize AMD for making X3 parts to save $$$ because one core doesn't pass quality checks... stupid stupid stance IMHO.

And something a LOT of folks may not realize is that the i7-950 4.259GHZ chip in the Danger Den box I have won't overclock near that fast if the "Execute Disable" bit is enabled. In fact, it's probably a highly limiting overclock factor in that generation CPU as is the Virtual Machine parts. I don't use those functions and they are disabled, so the chip goes faster... but otherwise it won't run above about 3.5GHz...

Ya'll (SETI-Germany and others) can go get a workstation CPU for $1500 that runs at a slower clock rate but supports ECC and MP, but what for when a consumer part performs fine or better for $340.... Same thing with Tesla vs. GTX products...

I don't need any stinking ECC or MP capability or huge GPU RAM... Usually when a system drops a bit somewhere, stupid things happen and it's obvious...usually.... and I used to own a dual XEON (single cores) workstation with ECC and the i7-950 outperforms the heck out of it by a factor of 10 at least...

CRUNCH ON!!!

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I spotted a pair of Quadro 4K's on ebay over here and started wondering. rolleyes.gif

I crunch rather than game, so for a project that can utilise the DP performance I could cash in my GTX 460's and invest in significantly better hardware.

Thanks for the input guys !

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I spotted a pair of Quadro 4K's on ebay over here and started wondering. rolleyes.gif
I crunch rather than game, so for a project that can utilise the DP performance I could cash in my GTX 460's and invest in significantly better hardware.
Thanks for the input guys !
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Be careful with expectations... DP float vs. DP Integer is two different things. Personally, I don't know yet what projects use what, but it's on my list of things to find out. You may in fact get less performance from a Quadro or Tesla compared to GTX in many BOINC applications...

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Just to appear even more random.... biggrin.gif

I'm also watching ATI 5870 prices on the run up to the holidays

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I'm in guys smile.gif Although I've not been getting the points I used to on prime, I looked at my profile and I think I had it set to only crunch the wrong type of prime searches. I was doing only "cullen/woodall" or something like that. Anybody remember which is the one that pays the most points?
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I believe you're looking for the "pps" or proth prime search sieve. I'm not absolutely positive, pm tex and he could let you know for sure. Should make massive ppd with your gpu's.smile.gif
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I believe you're looking for the "pps" or proth prime search sieve. I'm not absolutely positive, pm tex and he could let you know for sure. Should make massive ppd with your gpu's.smile.gif

Yup... take a look at the spreadsheet. The top point generating tasks are Moo! Wrapper (ATI) Prime Grid PPS and DistrRTgen for Nvidia...

Mostly I don't run those except for BGB... but Milkyway has been down for a week, so had to run some Moo! and such...

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