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So I bought this back in 2008:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824112011

370$ or so, going from a 17'' CRT monitor, I was immensely excited. I did not know of IPS, TN, S-IPS, and all that then. So yeah, it's a crappy TN panel, but I asked two friends and they said it was a good buy.

I noticed right away banding, an issue I had never really noticed on my CRT. I noticed how there always seemed to be a thin line of something that looked like protective plastic that you first have on the screen and peel away, in darker scenes, that is.

Color accuracy was also way down from my old CRT. I noticed tearing much, much more. The corners of the monitor are lighter and darker, which makes calibrating hard, but I did it, and have done it various times over the years, making it just barely acceptable. Black & White levels suck regardless, I used QuickGamma, and basically every calibrating guide on the net and I could never get close to getting the Gamma right, no matter what I did, on the monitor, with my drivers, with QuickGamma, ect, it just never hit it right. (Didn't wanna spend 300-400$ for one of those professional things you stick on the monitor, either.)

Recently a issue, which I gather must have just started, as I watched fluent animation on it before, now I am noticing a distinct blur. i.e, when panning fast, in stuff that doesn't have motion blur distinctly, I notice how all the details are lost and it's just blurry as heck. It's really annoying.

I still hook my old 17'' CRT up from time to time and when I put images on them, they are clearly more sharper. Now I know there's always been that debate and CRTs are better image quality, so I just kinda gave up and I've made due with it for years.

Recently though it's been killing me when watching a show with alot of stuff going on really fast, as the detail just seems lost. So I figure either my eyes are going, or yeah, this monitor is getting even worse, or my mind is just imagining a reason to justify buying a new monitor.

I've been looking at Dell UltraSharp IPS monitors, high quality stuff, and no one has a bad thing to say about them...however...the price is...youch, though I know you pay for quality. Been looking at the Sony FW900, though it's super expensive, and well quite frankly, I don't think my desk could support it, lol, as well as finding one can be tough.

So then in around 2009, I remember reading about 120HZ monitors and being excited; except it's 2011 and as I google 120HZ monitors, look around Newegg, and Amazon, I mainly find ones from off-brand companies, or ones that are like 19-22'', and none bigger. Though I did read about the Ben Q XL2410T, but it seems to have massive bleeding issues. What happened? Everyone was saying how super smooth they were, and stuff was much more fluent on them...yet now finding one from a respectable maker is quite tough.

To be honest, for my next upgrade, I wanted to get a 30'' Monitor, as I figured it was a natural upgrade, going 17 to 24, 24 to 30. That's increments of 7 inches each time. However, I didn't wanna go low quality this time, but the U3011 is well, christ, like 1100$, that is expensive!

http://www.amazon.com/Dell-UltraSharp-U3011-Widescreen-PremierColor/dp/B004KKGF1O

However with the advent of 120FPS monitors; it feels kind of weird to spend so much on on 60HZ monitor, despite the quality. If only it had 120HZ, I'd feel alot better about buying it. So I wouldn't be left behind somewhat.

So just how bad is in my monitor, what you can discern from the specs, ect? What happened to 120HZ, by now I was expecting a shift to it being more mainstream, especially with LCD HDTV's coming with 120HZ becoming the norm.

Thanks for your insight.


Looking around the forums more, I see alot of recommendations for:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-S27A950D-27-Inch-Class-Monitor/dp/B004Z75LX0/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=IKNTOXQC1EUUM&colid=11239QVL62VKT

Though it is quite expensive...for a TN monitor.
Edited by Mkilbride - 11/21/11 at 1:21am
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120hz monitor are a gimmick at some stretch when you don't want to have 3D a really good 60hz monitor at the same price is much more interesting . I can't say many things on your monitor tho. seems fine enough.

But the monitor on amazon has a 7ms response time ( it is A LOT ) for anything you will see some form of ghosting on it as you seem to be really picky on this topic. In games it will be easily noticeable. Mind you come from a CRT which is close to 0ms response. And 2ms response from a lot of lcd monitors are not really a precise value and may still have ghosting in them.

As for contrast LED will help with it.

It's as much as I can help tho.
    
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http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-S27A950D-27-Inch-Class-Monitor/dp/B004Z75LX0/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=IKNTOXQC1EUUM&colid=11239QVL62VKT

Looking around, alot of people suggest this one, but it's very expensive for a TN monitor. Wish they had some IPS 120HZ, but those would be nutso expensive.
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Read this blog post, you should find it useful to narrow down your choices. One thing to add, most cheap 120Hz monitors today are using interpolated 60Hz refresh rate, so not real 120Hz as output by the GPU. As such it may be that real 120Hz is the solution to your problem, but you must find the monitor(s) that output real 120, not 60i
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Samsung monitor I linked is supposed to be real 120HZ, as was the original 120HZ monitor.

Still, I just wish they'd have IPS 120HZ monitors, as I want quality & no ghosting.

I read about the Del U3011 and the 27 inch version, and they said there is noticable ghosting for any gamer, or in movies that have fast animation. They have 7-8ms response time; while the TN I linked to has 2ms.

SO have to chose between great image quality, and ghosting, or decent image quality and no ghosting.

I just wish I could get the Samsung one without the 3D kit...then I'd probably get that, cause it'd be a few hundred less.
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Originally Posted by Marc-Olivier Beaudoin View Post

120hz monitor are a gimmick at some stretch when you don't want to have 3D a really good 60hz monitor at the same price is much more interesting . I can't say many things on your monitor tho. seems fine enough.
But the monitor on amazon has a 7ms response time ( it is A LOT ) for anything you will see some form of ghosting on it as you seem to be really picky on this topic. In games it will be easily noticeable. Mind you come from a CRT which is close to 0ms response. And 2ms response from a lot of lcd monitors are not really a precise value and may still have ghosting in them.
As for contrast LED will help with it.
It's as much as I can help tho.

Yeah...fast refresh rates are a gimmick! Do you even read what you type before you post?
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Read this blog post, you should find it useful to narrow down your choices. One thing to add, most cheap 120Hz monitors today are using interpolated 60Hz refresh rate, so not real 120Hz as output by the GPU. As such it may be that real 120Hz is the solution to your problem, but you must find the monitor(s) that output real 120, not 60i

You're thinking of TV's actually. TV's are the ones that have the interpolated 60hz. Monitors on the other hand do not, I've yet to see a interpolated 120hz monitor.


The Samsung monitor is excellent though and has amazing color reproduction. Easily one of the best on a TN 120hz display. I can't seem to find the review someone on here wrote, i'll keep looking.
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It's just so expensive. 700$. I know it's something you'll spend the most time looking at, so it makes SENSE...to not cheap out like I did.

But it's just confusing. Cause Newegg stopped carrying it...and they usually do that for a reason. Loving what I've read about it though.

Just annoying that 1100$ 30 inch PC monitor could get me a 55 Inch Plasma 1080P 3D TV ectera, with all the trimmings. Oh well, that's just how it is.
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I'm pretty sure 120Hz and IPS don't go together so well, IPS is known for higher image quality but slower refresh, so finding 120Hz and IPS together could be a stretch (at least until technology improves)
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Well I just bought an AW2310 (Alienware OptX 23" 120hz 1080p) Keep in mind I have never seen a display keep pace with a CRT...

For instance If you drag a window around with text in it on a CRT you can still read the text while dragging it around your screen.

With my new 120hz and any previous 60hz the text still blurs to be un-readable while dragging the window around. That being said while playing games the 120hz is fantastic, but still not as good as my old Dell Trinitron CRT 21" at 120-160hz

*Edit*
Dragging the window around on 120hz looks much smoother, just not the text inside of it.
     
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