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First off, I know I really need to build a new computer, but currently money is tight. I really want to play Saints Row: The Third, but my framerate is pretty bad. Basically, I want to upgrade, but I don't have enough money to upgrade the video card and the mobo/CPU/RAM so I'm curious which would give me more of a performance boost.

I have a friend who could give me 2x1GB DDR2 RAM to add to my current system for cheap. Would this effect the game performance much (going from 2GB RAM to 4GB)?

One upgrade I'm considering is getting a Radeon 6850 for about $150. Assuming the CPU would be the bottleneck, I'm not sure how much of a performance boost I'd actually get from it.

The other upgrade would be the be the mobo/CPU/RAM. I'm looking at an AMD Phenom II x4 with a cheap mobo and cheap 8GB RAM. I'm looking at a 950, 960T, or 965 CPU. That would cost me about $225. The reason I'm not considering an AM3+ socket setup is because AM3+ mobo's with an IDE connector cost a lot more, and unfortunately I still use an IDE HD.

I figure that no matter which upgrade I pick, the one I don't pick will be the bottleneck. Any idea on which upgrade would give me more performance in the game? Thank you for any opinions.
Edited by Rothchild - 11/23/11 at 7:17am
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2GB to 4GB is actually a substantial performance gain and well worth doing considering your running Win7.

Your CPU would have an impact with a new GPU, but a GPU would make a larger impression to performance along with the extra memory than a CPU upgrade will achieve.
 
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2GB to 4GB is actually a substantial performance gain and well worth doing considering your running Win7.
Your CPU would have an impact with a new GPU, but a GPU would make a larger impression to performance along with the extra memory than a CPU upgrade will achieve.

This is literally verbatim what i would have posted after reading your post.

What do you have your x2 clocked at? A 6850 would bottleneck an x2 for sure, but the more mhz you can squeeze out the better.

I would also suggest that you stop by the for sale section and take a look at video cards for sale. Your money will go alittle further getting something used, and you can pocket the savings for an upgrade down the road, or get a video card that's alittle more future proof, assuming you are comfortable buying used.
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umm..m4n98td-evo $130
960T $124
actually.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103652 $75

xfx 6790 $130
RAM $40 (2x2 or MAYBE 2.x4 ddr3 1600)
biggest noticeable would be the videocard..you would need an overclock to minimize bottlenecks..ergo i recommend an overclocking board..cpu+Ram+mobo=$245

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This is literally verbatim what i would have posted after reading your post.
What do you have your x2 clocked at? A 6850 would bottleneck an x2 for sure, but the more mhz you can squeeze out the better.
I would also suggest that you stop by the for sale section and take a look at video cards for sale. Your money will go alittle further getting something used, and you can pocket the savings for an upgrade down the road, or get a video card that's alittle more future proof, assuming you are comfortable buying used.
The X2 is stock at 2.4GHz with the stock heat sink on it. I OC'ed it when I first got it, but couldn't get to far before the heat made me nervous and I didn't see much of a performance improvement. If I replace the graphics card I might reapply the heat sink with Artic Silver instead of the default gunk and try OC'ing it again.

Buying used makes me a bit nervous, and I need to buy two of any upgrade since my wife and I have near identical computers (we game together, which is why we are looking forward to SR3's co-op).
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umm..m4n98td-evo $130
960T $124
actually.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103652 $75
xfx 6790 $130
RAM $40 (2x2 or MAYBE 2.x4 ddr3 1600)
biggest noticeable would be the videocard..you would need an overclock to minimize bottlenecks..ergo i recommend an overclocking board..
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Without the graphics card you mentioned that comes to $245 which is a bit expensive in my current financial situation. If it would provide considerably more performance in the game than the graphics card and RAM, I might consider it. Is the XFX 6790 better than a generic 6850?
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If i were upgrading your rig on a budget, i would spring for the 6850 and just wait on the CPU. The 6850 has double the ROP's, 160 more shaders, more texture units, and actually consumes less power. In general, the performance difference is about 15%, but can be up to 25% in some games.
Down the road, the 6790 is going to become a huge bottleneck to whatever CPU you decide to get.

At stock voltage, you should be able to squeeze even a few hundred Mhz out of the x2. Trust me, even getting it to 2.6 would be huge, and the heat shouldnt rise to much.

When you say you were not comfortable with the temps, what were you getting to?
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15-25% sounds pretty small considering my current frames per second. In SR3 I get 19-32 fps standing still outside, depending on which direction I look, with all settings at minimum (except resolution at 1280x1024). I would really like to be able to turn shadows and a couple other settings up to low and maintain 20+ fps even while driving or during multiple explosions. There are some complaints about the games performance on ATI cards, so hopefully a future patch will optimize it a bit.

It was so long ago that I can't remember the temps. I read a couple different overclock guides and I was basing it off of those.

I think I'll get the 2GB RAM from my friend, work on OC'ing, and hope for a patch by the time I'm done (a couple weeks). Then, if I can't get enough performance out of it I'll go for a new graphics card. Hopefully in April after tax returns I'll have enough to replace the mobo/CPU/RAM. Thank you all for the help.
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The X2 is stock at 2.4GHz with the stock heat sink on it. I OC'ed it when I first got it, but couldn't get to far before the heat made me nervous and I didn't see much of a performance improvement. If I replace the graphics card I might reapply the heat sink with Artic Silver instead of the default gunk and try OC'ing it again.
Buying used makes me a bit nervous, and I need to buy two of any upgrade since my wife and I have near identical computers (we game together, which is why we are looking forward to SR3's co-op).
Without the graphics card you mentioned that comes to $245 which is a bit expensive in my current financial situation. If it would provide considerably more performance in the game than the graphics card and RAM, I might consider it. Is the XFX 6790 better than a generic 6850?

no..i guess i should have been more clear..the graphics card,RAM,and overclocking your CPU would be my recommendation..and no..it (6790)is the first step up from 128-bit bus graphics cards..it's still a good performer,though..and overclockable :thumb.gif: //and get a hyper212+ ..or Sunbeamtech Core-contact Freezer for your cpu..(the latter snaps right onto an AMD socket)IMO the 6790 is the best graphics card for a tight budget
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15-25% sounds pretty small considering my current frames per second. In SR3 I get 19-32 fps standing still outside, depending on which direction I look, with all settings at minimum (except resolution at 1280x1024). I would really like to be able to turn shadows and a couple other settings up to low and maintain 20+ fps even while driving or during multiple explosions. There are some complaints about the games performance on ATI cards, so hopefully a future patch will optimize it a bit.
It was so long ago that I can't remember the temps. I read a couple different overclock guides and I was basing it off of those.
I think I'll get the 2GB RAM from my friend, work on OC'ing, and hope for a patch by the time I'm done (a couple weeks). Then, if I can't get enough performance out of it I'll go for a new graphics card. Hopefully in April after tax returns I'll have enough to replace the mobo/CPU/RAM. Thank you all for the help.

Sorry, i meant that the 6850 is about 25-25% faster than the 6790. The 6850 going to be twice the speed of your 4850, more in certain games.

Glad we could help, check back in after you clock up your x2, im curious as to your results.
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