Overclock.net › Forums › Video Games › PC Gaming › Declaration of Discontent
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Declaration of Discontent - Page 2

post #11 of 51
I support you 100%

I will help in anyway I can.
post #12 of 51
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by daguardian View Post

I support you 100%
I will help in anyway I can.

Thanks mate. Can you fill in some of your specific complaints on, for instance, restrictive DRM?
post #13 of 51
I support this, except for the first bullet. It IS a little bit outrageous imho. Maybe change it one per two years? It takes a lot to make a game, and two a year is very hard I would imagine.
Lol
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 3570K ASRock Z77 Fatal1ty  Geforce GTX 670 FTW Corsair XMS3 8GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
OCZ Vertex 2 60GB SSD Some Random Brand Win 7 x64 Gateway 20" 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus 24" 1920x1080 60Hz LED Backlit Razer Arctosa Antec 650W HAF 932 Advanced 
MouseMouse Pad
WoW Cataclysm Gaming Mouse Cataclysm mousepad :3 
  hide details  
Reply
Lol
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 3570K ASRock Z77 Fatal1ty  Geforce GTX 670 FTW Corsair XMS3 8GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
OCZ Vertex 2 60GB SSD Some Random Brand Win 7 x64 Gateway 20" 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus 24" 1920x1080 60Hz LED Backlit Razer Arctosa Antec 650W HAF 932 Advanced 
MouseMouse Pad
WoW Cataclysm Gaming Mouse Cataclysm mousepad :3 
  hide details  
Reply
post #14 of 51
I agree with your spirit on this but I doubt you'll make much, if any, impact. Let's face facts: consoles are where the money is for game developers. The fact that they even offer titles on PC anymore is a blessing in and of itself. Consoles are almost completely idiot proof, pop in your game and play. PC's, while I certainly agree they are the vastly superior gaming medium, are quite a bit more difficult and will always be more expensive. I love my PC. I love tweaking settings, running benchmarks, seeing the improvements as they happen. I love what the PC is capable of over consoles. I actually like upgrading periodically. Most people couldn't care less. They want easy, and consoles give them easy in abundance.

Sign me up for this petition, but I'm going in with a decidedly pessimistic attitude towards it. At least there are still some indie developers out there that do right by us, just don't expect the big names to care.
post #15 of 51
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dranx View Post

I support this, except for the first bullet. It IS a little bit outrageous imho. Maybe change it one per two years? It takes a lot to make a game, and two a year is very hard I would imagine.

Not per development studio, per major publisher. EA, Ubisoft, ActiBlizzard, etc. could easily manage one or two big PC games a year, perhaps even Bethesda/ID. It would be unreasonable to ask a single developer to do that, probably impossible.
post #16 of 51
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Metaldude View Post

I agree with your spirit on this but I doubt you'll make much, if any, impact. Let's face facts: consoles are where the money is for game developers. The fact that they even offer titles on PC anymore is a blessing in and of itself. Consoles are almost completely idiot proof, pop in your game and play. PC's, while I certainly agree they are the vastly superior gaming medium, are quite a bit more difficult and will always be more expensive. I love my PC. I love tweaking settings, running benchmarks, seeing the improvements as they happen. I love what the PC is capable of over consoles. I actually like upgrading periodically. Most people couldn't care less. They want easy, and consoles give them easy in abundance.
Sign me up for this petition, but I'm going in with a decidedly pessimistic attitude towards it. At least there are still some indie developers out there that do right by us, just don't expect the big names to care.

If 50,000 PC gamers sign it, that might start speaking to their wallets. wink.gif How do you get 50,000 people to sign it? Stop being pessimistic. wink.gif
post #17 of 51
Givin the number of studios producing games, I do not belive 2 PC releases per year is unrealistic... Heck, even a single PC release per year that is not a "port" of a console would be appreciated.... They have the development resources, I do not see why they can not write code that is 100% compatible with modern PC OS's.

The complaint that piracy is a major cause to not include the pc market in gaming is bull, and I call shenanigans! Any 10yr old with half a brain can look up how to "jailbreak" and "mod" their consoles to play downloaded games from the internet, circumventing msrp and drm alike.

I posted a thread about not feeling the whole gaming thing earlier... I realize now that it is due to:
1) Poor support for PC releases
2) lack up substantial updates to fix bug's
3) Inability to monitor and prevent hack's and botting in a multi-player enviornment
4) Over Charging for DLC as a means to squeeze more $$$ from our already strapped pockets

Game developers today are making a killing, they can afford to take the time to please 100% of the gaming market, rather than the percentage that plays on a console.

We are gamers too, we buy their products, we should get equal treatment when it comes to the quality and stability of the games we play.
We are versitile and will put up with a vast assortment of DRM measures... but make it reasonable... not everyone has 24/7 access to the internet. Not everyone is online.

Hell, I would be more than happy to pay $60 for a box, key, and disk that contains an installer that installs off the internet and their servers hold the install data...

If there is a petition, I'll happily sign it.

Just my 2cents.gif

cheers.gif
Desktop Toaster
(19 items)
 
ThinClient
(5 items)
 
 
CPURAMHard DriveOS
Celeron N2930 G.Skill 8gb 204 pin Seagate 500gb 2.5" Win 10 Pro 
Case
Zotac Zbox CI320 Nano 
  hide details  
Reply
Desktop Toaster
(19 items)
 
ThinClient
(5 items)
 
 
CPURAMHard DriveOS
Celeron N2930 G.Skill 8gb 204 pin Seagate 500gb 2.5" Win 10 Pro 
Case
Zotac Zbox CI320 Nano 
  hide details  
Reply
post #18 of 51
I will sign it smile.gif
 
QUEEN OF BLADES
(15 items)
 
ASUS U6Sg
(15 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I7 920 REV D0@4.2 HT Asus Rampage II Extreme CFX: ASUS R9 270X DCUII 6GB DDR3 XMP CL6 TRIDENT 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Vertex 2 180 GB+RAID 0 2 * 1 TB SAMSUNG Sony Optiarc Labelflash Thermalright Venoumous X W7 X64 Ultimate RETAIL 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2410 IPS Logitech Corsair CMPSU-850TX Antec 1200 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech HAMA Xonar STX / Auzen Forte 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
XEON 5650X @4.45 GHz  Rampage III Formula PCGH CFX: ASUS R9 280X DCUII 16GB G-SKILL CL9@ 1643 MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
1x 850 Pro 256 GB + 1xWD 500 GB + 2x3TB WD RED Plextor PX-L89OSA Thermalright VX W10 X64 Ultimate RETAIL 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
ACER B203W Razer Deathstalker Corsair CMPSU-750TX Antec 902 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G800S Logitech Gaming  Creative Titanium HD + FiiO E17 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core 2 Duo : T8300 Asus U6000Sg Series Notebook NVIDIA 9300 GS 4GB Kingston CL4 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Hitachi Ultrastar Asus POS Stock Asus with MX3 W7 x64 Ultimate RETAIL 
MonitorAudio
Asus 12.1 " LED Creative X-Fi EX54 
  hide details  
Reply
 
QUEEN OF BLADES
(15 items)
 
ASUS U6Sg
(15 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I7 920 REV D0@4.2 HT Asus Rampage II Extreme CFX: ASUS R9 270X DCUII 6GB DDR3 XMP CL6 TRIDENT 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Vertex 2 180 GB+RAID 0 2 * 1 TB SAMSUNG Sony Optiarc Labelflash Thermalright Venoumous X W7 X64 Ultimate RETAIL 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2410 IPS Logitech Corsair CMPSU-850TX Antec 1200 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech HAMA Xonar STX / Auzen Forte 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
XEON 5650X @4.45 GHz  Rampage III Formula PCGH CFX: ASUS R9 280X DCUII 16GB G-SKILL CL9@ 1643 MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
1x 850 Pro 256 GB + 1xWD 500 GB + 2x3TB WD RED Plextor PX-L89OSA Thermalright VX W10 X64 Ultimate RETAIL 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
ACER B203W Razer Deathstalker Corsair CMPSU-750TX Antec 902 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G800S Logitech Gaming  Creative Titanium HD + FiiO E17 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core 2 Duo : T8300 Asus U6000Sg Series Notebook NVIDIA 9300 GS 4GB Kingston CL4 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Hitachi Ultrastar Asus POS Stock Asus with MX3 W7 x64 Ultimate RETAIL 
MonitorAudio
Asus 12.1 " LED Creative X-Fi EX54 
  hide details  
Reply
post #19 of 51
Yeah count me in on this too mate, if I can think of anything I'll be sure to post, but right now it's gone 2AM and I should be asleep. tongue.gif

I mean I respect and love the modding community, but they shouldn't have to make games "the way they were meant to be played" on PC's, that's down to the Devs, Modders are supposed to... Mod... and add stuff, and maybe tweaks, not make the game what it should've been in the first place.

Only for the game to patch it and screw the Mods over. (okay I feel I'm using one game as an example here, lol)

If they're gonna do a half-arsed job on a game for PC release, at least add modding tools on release of the game.
 
Exia R2
(22 items)
 
Unicorn SD
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
l Intel® Core™ i7-5820K l l MSI X99A SLI Krait Edition l l MSI GTX 980Ti Gaming 6G l l Corsair Dominator® Platinum (4x4GB) DDR4 3Ghz l 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
| Samsung PM951 M.2 PCI-e NVMe 512GB | l Samsung 840 Evo 500GB l l Toshiba X300 4TB 128MB Cache l l Toshiba MD04ACA400 4TB l 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
l Toshiba DT01ACA300 3TB (x3) l l Samsung F3 1TB l l Pioneer BDR-209EBK l l NZXT Kraken X61 (2x Noctua NF-A14-2000-IP67) l 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
l Phobya MaxGuide 6 Controller l l Windows 7 x64 Customised. l l Acer Predator XB240H 144Hz G-Sync l l LG M2380D 1080p l  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
l Logitech G19s l  l EVGA SuperNOVA G2 850w l l CM Storm Stryker™ l  l Logitech G502 l  
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
l Razer Vespula l l Logitech Z506 5.1 l l Steelseries Siberia V2 MSI Gaming Edition l l Creative Fatal1ty HS-800 V2 l 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
l Phenom II x4 960T BE (@x6 3838MHz) l l Asus Crosshair IV Formula l  l MSI GTX 570 PE/OC l l 8GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical 1600MHz (@170... 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
l Samsung 840 Evo 500GB l l Samsung F3 1TB X2 l l Maxtor DiamondMax 750GB 32MB l l Samsung F4 2TB l 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
l Toshiba DT01ACA300 x2 l l Pioneer BDR-209EBK l l Scythe Kama Angle Rev.B (With Scythe GT 1850R... l 4x120mm, 2x140mm Case Fans (CM + Scythe) l 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
l Aerocool Cooltouch R l l Windows 7 x64 nVidia Ed. l l LG M2380D 1080p l l Logitech G15 l 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
l XFX Pro 650W Core Ed. l l CM Storm Scout™ l l Logitech G502 l l Steelseries QcK l 
AudioAudio
l Creative Fatal1ty HS-800 V2 l l Logitech LS21 l 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
G3258 @4Ghz MSI Z97I Gaming AC MSI GTX 460 Crucial Ballistix Sport 1600MHz 8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 840 Evo 128GB Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB Optiarc 7170S Corsair H60 
OSKeyboardPowerCase
Windows 7 x64 Logitech K400 Wireless Touch Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 520w Modular Cooler Master Elite 130 
Mouse
Logitech M187 
  hide details  
Reply
 
Exia R2
(22 items)
 
Unicorn SD
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
l Intel® Core™ i7-5820K l l MSI X99A SLI Krait Edition l l MSI GTX 980Ti Gaming 6G l l Corsair Dominator® Platinum (4x4GB) DDR4 3Ghz l 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
| Samsung PM951 M.2 PCI-e NVMe 512GB | l Samsung 840 Evo 500GB l l Toshiba X300 4TB 128MB Cache l l Toshiba MD04ACA400 4TB l 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
l Toshiba DT01ACA300 3TB (x3) l l Samsung F3 1TB l l Pioneer BDR-209EBK l l NZXT Kraken X61 (2x Noctua NF-A14-2000-IP67) l 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
l Phobya MaxGuide 6 Controller l l Windows 7 x64 Customised. l l Acer Predator XB240H 144Hz G-Sync l l LG M2380D 1080p l  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
l Logitech G19s l  l EVGA SuperNOVA G2 850w l l CM Storm Stryker™ l  l Logitech G502 l  
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
l Razer Vespula l l Logitech Z506 5.1 l l Steelseries Siberia V2 MSI Gaming Edition l l Creative Fatal1ty HS-800 V2 l 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
l Phenom II x4 960T BE (@x6 3838MHz) l l Asus Crosshair IV Formula l  l MSI GTX 570 PE/OC l l 8GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical 1600MHz (@170... 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
l Samsung 840 Evo 500GB l l Samsung F3 1TB X2 l l Maxtor DiamondMax 750GB 32MB l l Samsung F4 2TB l 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
l Toshiba DT01ACA300 x2 l l Pioneer BDR-209EBK l l Scythe Kama Angle Rev.B (With Scythe GT 1850R... l 4x120mm, 2x140mm Case Fans (CM + Scythe) l 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
l Aerocool Cooltouch R l l Windows 7 x64 nVidia Ed. l l LG M2380D 1080p l l Logitech G15 l 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
l XFX Pro 650W Core Ed. l l CM Storm Scout™ l l Logitech G502 l l Steelseries QcK l 
AudioAudio
l Creative Fatal1ty HS-800 V2 l l Logitech LS21 l 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
G3258 @4Ghz MSI Z97I Gaming AC MSI GTX 460 Crucial Ballistix Sport 1600MHz 8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 840 Evo 128GB Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB Optiarc 7170S Corsair H60 
OSKeyboardPowerCase
Windows 7 x64 Logitech K400 Wireless Touch Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 520w Modular Cooler Master Elite 130 
Mouse
Logitech M187 
  hide details  
Reply
post #20 of 51
Thread Starter 
Incidentally, I'm starting up a game studio. We haven't yet decided exactly what game we're building (that should happen tonight); but if we build a PC game, we'll adhere to all principles listed in this petition.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: PC Gaming
Overclock.net › Forums › Video Games › PC Gaming › Declaration of Discontent