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I agree with pioneerisloud. There will be no way that I will spend 2/3 of the budget just to get an extra bit of cleaner sound. My parents wont be able to tell the difference. My only concern about the one i previously picked is that i wont be able to utilize all features. There will be no way that I will have 2 subwoofers. And you think the Dayton SUB-120 is the best sub for my situation?
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And then there would be no low end at all.

Those 60s play down to ~40hz just fine. That's more low end than most people are accustomed to.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with a good Onkyo, Yamaha, or Denon receiver. My Yamaha receiver was only $200 (open box deal), and its absolutely excellent, and powers my speakers very VERY well. I measured 80w RMS out of it cleanly (to my ears), and its rated for 110w RMS. I could care less if its cleaner on paper, I go for what sounds good to my ears.
I'm sorry, but I just can't justify spending $400 on a receiver, when he's using $200 tower speakers and no sub.

It's a $400 receiver, $200 speakers, that can grow in time to include a proper centre, surrounds, and sub/s. At which point the cost in other speakers in the system will overwhelm the cost of the receiver anyways. You're suggesting that because the initial introduction to the system does not include all the speakers, the receiver should suck more? I don't understand this philosophy at all. I recall you talking about the importance of getting the biggest best centre channel possible and have reiterated it here in this thread. I know from my experience that the reason you believe you need the bigger centre channel has more to do with your amplification quality than anything else, but you are not willing to give in to this harsh reality.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. The consumer "hears" the speaker so they blame the speaker for anything bad that comes from it. The philosophy is backwards. While some speakers are flat and some speakers are bright, and some are boomy, I'm not aware of any reasonable/decent speakers on earth that introduce any significant distortion of their own across most listening levels. If you feel the sort of harsh, fatigued listening you expect at high volume, you can blame your amp first and foremost.

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And then there would be no low end at all.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a good Onkyo, Yamaha, or Denon receiver. My Yamaha receiver was only $200 (open box deal), and its absolutely excellent, and powers my speakers very VERY well. I measured 80w RMS out of it cleanly (to my ears), and its rated for 110w RMS. I could care less if its cleaner on paper, I go for what sounds good to my ears.
I'm sorry, but I just can't justify spending $400 on a receiver, when he's using $200 tower speakers and no sub.
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I agree with pioneerisloud. There will be no way that I will spend 2/3 of the budget just to get an extra bit of cleaner sound. My parents wont be able to tell the difference. My only concern about the one i previously picked is that i wont be able to utilize all features. There will be no way that I will have 2 subwoofers. And you think the Dayton SUB-120 is the best sub for my situation?
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Those 60s play down to ~40hz just fine. That's more low end than most people are accustomed to.
It's a $400 receiver, $200 speakers, that can grow in time to include a proper centre, surrounds, and sub/s. At which point the cost in other speakers in the system will overwhelm the cost of the receiver anyways. You're suggesting that because the initial introduction to the system does not include all the speakers, the receiver should suck more? I don't understand this philosophy at all. I recall you talking about the importance of getting the biggest best centre channel possible and have reiterated it here in this thread. I know from my experience that the reason you believe you need the bigger centre channel has more to do with your amplification quality than anything else, but you are not willing to give in to this harsh reality.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. The consumer "hears" the speaker so they blame the speaker for anything bad that comes from it. The philosophy is backwards. While some speakers are flat and some speakers are bright, and some are boomy, I'm not aware of any reasonable/decent speakers on earth that introduce any significant distortion of their own across most listening levels. If you feel the sort of harsh, fatigued listening you expect at high volume, you can blame your amp first and foremost.
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I agree with pioneerisloud. There will be no way that I will spend 2/3 of the budget just to get an extra bit of cleaner sound. My parents wont be able to tell the difference. My only concern about the one i previously picked is that i wont be able to utilize all features. There will be no way that I will have 2 subwoofers. And you think the Dayton SUB-120 is the best sub for my situation?

If that's the case, then go for something with only 5.1 then. Yamaha, Denon, and Onkyo all make solid receivers on any budget. Yes, their lower end lines suck and won't play super loud, that is true. But if you pick one that has 100w RMS rated on it per channel, I'll bet it'll put out at least 50-60w RMS CLEANLY, which is more than enough to get plenty loud and stay clean.

Unless you plan on blaring your system up loud enough to have a block party, then there's really no reason to have more than that. My system puts out 80w RMS per channel (5 channels) MEASURED, and its clean enough for my ears. Any more, yes it gets to the point where its hard on my ears, but not because its too loud, but because of distortion. And my system is loud enough to blow light bulbs in the living room, and at the front door (our porch light).

And no, in my opinion 40Hz is nowhere NEAR low enough to get proper enjoyment from your speakers. Yes, its plenty low, but you're still missing the ENTIRE subwoofer low end.
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If that's the case, then go for something with only 5.1 then. Yamaha, Denon, and Onkyo all make solid receivers on any budget. Yes, their lower end lines suck and won't play super loud, that is true. But if you pick one that has 100w RMS rated on it per channel, I'll bet it'll put out at least 50-60w RMS CLEANLY, which is more than enough to get plenty loud and stay clean.
Unless you plan on blaring your system up loud enough to have a block party, then there's really no reason to have more than that. My system puts out 80w RMS per channel (5 channels) MEASURED, and its clean enough for my ears. Any more, yes it gets to the point where its hard on my ears, but not because its too loud, but because of distortion. And my system is loud enough to blow light bulbs in the living room, and at the front door (our porch light).
And no, in my opinion 40Hz is nowhere NEAR low enough to get proper enjoyment from your speakers. Yes, its plenty low, but you're still missing the ENTIRE subwoofer low end.

After looking around, all the 5.1 receivers seem like junk compared to the 7.1/7.1 receivers.
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Sounds like there is no need for the receiver to play HD audio formats, you are correct that most of the nicer receivers now are 7.1/2 only.

My suggestion?

Save some money and get a better amp by checking craigslist for a high-end older receiver that lacks some of the new features but is much cheaper and provides better quality for what you will be using it for. thumb.gif
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