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post #31 of 81
Hopefully this means I'll get a hefty raise at the end of this year biggrin.gif In all honesty though, with all of the issues they were having with Globalfoundries it's no surprise they decided to jump ship mid production. For some of the flack TSMC does get, they don't own 50+% of the free play foundry market for just any reason.
post #32 of 81
IMO this is a step in the right direction..it gives me hope and makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside biggrin.gif
 
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AMD is done guys. To me, this is one of many final nails in the coffin. I don't think they will go under or disappear, but from now on the news of AMD is going to be much more focused on them downscaling and attempting to fill market niches rather then competing with intel directly.
post #34 of 81
Obviously not good, but my understanding is these new variants would have bulldozer cores and not deneb cores. Bulldozer being a complete failure, would make sense to bin it. Also with the sacking of most of their Marketing and PR departments, mabye AMD realised you need to have chips to compete, spin will not work alone.

I don't think AMD is toast, I think they are regrouping. I think their next chip will make or break the company.
post #35 of 81
if the Fm2 chips are just as/if not better than the fm1 then ill jump to them. they play 1080P games (not on high, but i can live with that) which is better than what i get with my 5570, which i bought due to being naive when i first got in to computers. but yes, intel are on top and if they think what there doing next, amd could bring the fight to intel. but with ivy aproaching, amd will fall even further behind unless they get there act together. but then again, if the rummors about 7000 series are true, they will definately pull ahead of nvidia. just my 57 cents wink.gif
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TSMC has an almost perfect 28nm process. Look at the GPUs.
What 28nm GPUs? Last we heard, AMD was having yield issues with the HD 7xxx. We know that TSMC had bad yield issues with 40nm (see Fermi GF100). The 32nm node was so bad that TSMC dropped it.

Also, the GF 28nm and TSMC 28nm processes are different. Just because they are the same node/half-node, it does not mean they are interchangeable or even equivalent.
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What 28nm GPUs? Last we heard, AMD was having yield issues with the HD 7xxx. We know that TSMC had bad yield issues with 40nm (see Fermi GF100). The 32nm node was so bad that TSMC dropped it.

The firts yield of TSMC 40nm-based Evergreen series was a turd, but I think they never made it to retail. The subsequent ones? I wouldn't call them exactly bad tongue.gif

As for 32nm, imagine if it was bad that AMD made the HD6 series upon 40nm process tongue.gif
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Also, the GF 28nm and TSMC 28nm processes are different. Just because they are the same node/half-node, it does not mean they are interchangeable or even equivalent.

I know.


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As for the 28nm... I messed it up with the 40nm node, my apologies there. Which makes me wonder which kind of silicon did nVidia choose amongst TSMC's offerings for the GF100 cores that they were so freaking hot, while AMD's chips weren't nowhere as hot nor power hungry. Sure we can't compare the HD5870 to a GTX480 in terms of performance (gaming/folding-wise), but we can compare it to a GTX470, which was WAY hotter and used a noticeable higher chunk of power.
   
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What 28nm GPUs? Last we heard, AMD was having yield issues with the HD 7xxx. We know that TSMC had bad yield issues with 40nm (see Fermi GF100). The 32nm node was so bad that TSMC dropped it.
Also, the GF 28nm and TSMC 28nm processes are different. Just because they are the same node/half-node, it does not mean they are interchangeable or even equivalent.

A lot of companies are contracting TSMC for their 28nm processes.
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Wafer output using 28nm processes is projected to top 20,000 units a month by the end of 2011, and will expand significantly in 2012 when new capacity at Fab 15 comes online, the sources noted. Fab 15, TSMC's third 12-inch fab, will begin volume production in the first quarter of 2012, and ultimately raise its monthly capacity to the designed level of 100,000 wafers per month.

Altera, AMD, Nvidia, Qualcomm and Xilinx have all contracted TSMC to manufacture their 28nm products. Broadcom, LSI Logic and STMicroelectronics reportedly are among potential clients for TSMC's 28nm technology.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20111124PD213.html

Apparently TSMC claims they do not have problems with 28nm tape-outs.
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"The delay of the 28nm ramp up is not due to a quality issue, we have very good tape-outs. The delay of ramp up is mainly because of softening economy for our customers. So, customers delayed the tape-outs. The 28nm revenue contribution in the Q4 2011 will be roughly about 1% of total wafer revenue," said Lora Ho, senior vice president and chief financial officer or TSMC.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20110810153308_TSMC_Lowers_Expectations_for_28nm_Revenue_in_2011.html
Edited by Riou - 11/25/11 at 3:33pm
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Interesting news if true. Extreme tech is a site I read years ago but not one I put a whole of faith in anymore.
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As for the 28nm... I messed it up with the 40nm node, my apologies there. Which makes me wonder which kind of silicon did nVidia choose amongst TSMC's offerings for the GF100 cores that they were so freaking hot, while AMD's chips weren't nowhere as hot nor power hungry. Sure we can't compare the HD5870 to a GTX480 in terms of performance (gaming/folding-wise), but we can compare it to a GTX470, which was WAY hotter and used a noticeable higher chunk of power.

AMD and NVIDIA used the same process. The thing was AMD had more experienced with the 28nm process and found them to be extremely leaky before hand. AMD decided to double up on junctions? to mitigate the issue.
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