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AMD bought ATI for $5.4B --> AMD goes into debts --> AMD separates it's Fab's to GF --> GF started having issues

Yes I know, without the ATI purchase we probably wouldn't have seen the light of the APU's,
but was the price worth it ?

I don't think so
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post

AMD and NVIDIA used the same process. The thing was AMD had more experienced with the 28nm process and found them to be extremely leaky before hand. AMD decided to double up on junctions? to mitigate the issue.

My thought would've been that AMD chose a different manufacturing process amongst what TSMC offered in 40nm.
Something such as AMD choosing the 40nm LVt/G and nVIDIA going with 40nm SVt/G

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Originally Posted by NirXY View Post

AMD bought ATI for $5.4B --> AMD goes into debts --> AMD separates it's Fab's to GF --> GF started having issues
Yes I know, without the ATI purchase we probably wouldn't have seen the light of the APU's,
but was the price worth it ?
I don't think so

If AMD hadn't bought ATi, they would probably not exist at all now (AMD not ATi)
Edited by Artikbot - 11/26/11 at 1:44am
   
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post #43 of 81
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Originally Posted by NirXY View Post

AMD bought ATI for $5.4B --> AMD goes into debts --> AMD separates it's Fab's to GF --> GF started having issues
Yes I know, without the ATI purchase we probably wouldn't have seen the light of the APU's,
but was the price worth it ?
I don't think so

AMD spun off GF because GF was losing money. With the recent Intel lawsuit ruling, AMD could go fabless like Nvidia and ARM. AMD could not before because Intel x86 license had required AMD to have in-house fabs.
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When AMD had its own fabs they had performance:thumb:
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Riou View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by NirXY View Post

AMD bought ATI for $5.4B --> AMD goes into debts --> AMD separates it's Fab's to GF --> GF started having issues
Yes I know, without the ATI purchase we probably wouldn't have seen the light of the APU's,
but was the price worth it ?
I don't think so

AMD spun off GF because GF was losing money. With the recent Intel lawsuit ruling, AMD could go fabless like Nvidia and ARM. AMD could not before because Intel x86 license had required AMD to have in-house fabs.


 

What's so different about Intel's fab that they decided to keep it in-house?

 

It seems to be, and I could be totally wrong, one of Intels big advantages... 

    
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What's so different about Intel's fab that they decided to keep it in-house?

It seems to be, and I could be totally wrong, one of Intels big advantages... 


Exactly thumb.gif. An in-house fab means you do not depend on anyone and everything is under your control. I see more yield issues at GloFO and TMSC than at INTEL.
 
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post #47 of 81
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What's so different about Intel's fab that they decided to keep it in-house?

It seems to be, and I could be totally wrong, one of Intels big advantages... 

Intel is large enough to put money into researching fabrication processes. AMD and Nvidia are not. AMD is trying to become a design-only company.
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Exactly thumb.gif. An in-house fab means you do not depend on anyone and everything is under your control. I see more yield issues at GloFO and TMSC than at INTEL.

What you are basically saying is why doesn't Nvidia have fabs so they can control their own future?
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What's so different about Intel's fab that they decided to keep it in-house?

It seems to be, and I could be totally wrong, one of Intels big advantages... 

They can afford the fab(s), and they have 100% control of the fab(s). If Intel went fab-less they would prolly have the same issues.
AMD has been beaten down over the last decade because of bad management, rising costs, serious issues with Intel (legal and competitive), buying ATI ect. Many say BD is a failure, but I see it as a stumble, and AMD will get back on it's feet and keep chugging along. ATI cost them allot cash at a difficult time for them, but it has paid off well.
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Intel is large enough to put money into researching fabrication processes. AMD and Nvidia are not. AMD is trying to become a design-only company.
What you are basically saying is why doesn't Nvidia have fabs so they can control their own future?


Let us go down memory lane. How many yield issues and delays did NVIDIA encounter in the last two years? Quite a few if we are honest. So bottom line, INTEL is the only one with sufficient capital to build and maintain its own fabs, proof that they have significantly less problems than AMD and NVIDIA. Intel is in direct control of their product cycle, whereas, NVIDIA and AMD outsource. Outsourcing is cost-effective but often poses problems. thumb.gif
 
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serious question

is this because they were to be based on bulldozer ?
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