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post #1 of 45
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Hi all!

I'm fairly new here and I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the right place, Feel free to move it if I got it wrong.

Just last week, my friends computer died (an old HP), and he hastily went to Bestbuy and purchased a new one. Disregarding my warnings to do research and possibly to just build his own computer, or have me build one for him, he ended up going with an Asus desktop, the CM1730_03. (http://www.asus.com/Desktop/Entertainment/Essentio_CM1730/#specifications).

The Bestbuy salesman apparently convinced him that CPU and GPU power are irrelevant for gaming, and the RAM is what you really need (this is where I tried to convince him that the salesman was a retard). Apparently the salesman is an "Avid gamer with a $24k computer", so he "knows more about computers than I do", according to my friend.

So my friend ended up going with this setup:
Asus CM1730_03
-AMD Athlon X2 Dual core (2.8Ghz)
-ATI 560v Graphics card (similar to the 4350) -- (I knew it sucked the second they advertise FULL 1080P VIDEO on the site, lol)
-16gb of 1333 DDR3 RAM
-1tb SATA HDD

For a grand total of ~$1k.
(Facepalm).

So, to settle our dispute and conclude our bet, as well as to hopefully convince my friend otherwise and get him to cancel his order, who was right? Is 16gb of RAM really good for gaming with the low end CPU and GPU, or should he have invested more into the hardware and less in the RAM?

Thanks,

-Dtfgator
Edited by dtfgator - 11/24/11 at 8:30pm
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post #2 of 45
Tel him to go to bb and talk to that same guy. Icouldd buildd a $1000 computer with 6 cores, not some dua core cpu. 8 gb of ram is way more than enough for whatever he is going to do. 24k gaming computer, kiss my butt
post #3 of 45
I didn't read beyond that best buy bit.
Tell your friend that he's retarded just for listening to that guy's pitch.

Tell him, "Enjoy your rig" and "Happy Holidays"

Edit:

Took my time to read it.

GPU's VRAM is important in some settings.

AMDs APU's can benefit from more ram.

Memory performance doesn't scale well. Especially if he can't even overclock it to flood the bandwidth.
Then again, he went for capacity which is totally irrelevant.
Read this Tom's Hardware review

Best buy sales reps are scum.
Looking at that computer he bought makes me want to throw up.

In a related note:
Not knowing what he needs the computer for.
Here's what I came up with using Newegg Black Friday deals for $1000.

Link (fixed the link)

I trust you to pick the right GPU for him.

/edit
Edited by SpiritGear - 11/24/11 at 8:15pm
 
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post #4 of 45
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Originally Posted by dtfgator View Post

Hi all!
I'm fairly new here and I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the right place, Feel free to move it if I got it wrong.
Just last week, my friends computer died (an old HP), and he hastily went to Bestbuy and purchased a new one. Disregarding my warnings to do research and possibly to just build his own computer, or have me build one for him, he ended up going with an Asus desktop, the CM1730_03. (http://www.asus.com/Desktop/Entertainment/Essentio_CM1730/#specifications).
The Bestbuy salesman apparently convinced him that CPU and GPU power are irrelevant for gaming, and the RAM is what you really need (this is where I tried to convince him the salesman was a retard). Apparently the salesman is an "Avid gamer with a $24k computer", so he "knows more about computer than I do", according to my friend.
So my friend ended up going with this setup:
Asus CM1730_03
-AMD Athlon X2 Dual core (2.8Ghz)
-ATI 560v Graphics card (similar to the 4350) -- (I knew it sucked the second they advertise FULL 1080P VIDEO on the site, lol)
-16gb of 1333 DDR3 RAM
-1tb SATA HDD
For a grand total of ~$1k.
(Facepalm).
So, to settle our dispute and conclude our bet, as well as to hopefully convince my friend otherwise and get him to cancel his order, who was right? Is 16gb of RAM really good for gaming with the low end CPU and GPU, or should he have invested more into the hardware and less in the RAM?
Thanks,
-Dtfgator


:doh.gif: ask him if it'll run crysis on max settings laughingsmiley.gif umm..show him it won't :lachen.gif: umm..no..8gb is plenty for everything..and yes..he should have put more into the hardware
 
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post #5 of 45
you are right. 8gb would have been enough for gaming but also speed and latency are more important the size.

here are a couple of examples of what he could have gotten for his grand:

A Silent-Pro DIY Rig powered by AMD FX EIGHT-CORE CPU! HAF922 FX-8120/GTX 570 Gaming SuperCombo

Powered by NVIDIA GTX 560Ti 2GB Discrete Graphics Card! Storm Enforcer Core i5-2500K/GTX 560Ti Gaming SuperCombo

both of these will blast the system he got
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post #6 of 45
cant believe you need to ask this... yeah best buy dude is a retard. there is a reason why they make discrete graphics cards with expensive gddr5 memory. Anyway, convince your friend to let you build him a rig.

furthermore, no kid at bestbuy has a $24,000 computer... or actually, this guy sounds dumb enough that he might just have one lol.
    
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post #7 of 45
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Originally Posted by dtfgator View Post

Hi all!
I'm fairly new here and I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the right place, Feel free to move it if I got it wrong.
Just last week, my friends computer died (an old HP), and he hastily went to Bestbuy and purchased a new one. Disregarding my warnings to do research and possibly to just build his own computer, or have me build one for him, he ended up going with an Asus desktop, the CM1730_03. (http://www.asus.com/Desktop/Entertainment/Essentio_CM1730/#specifications).
The Bestbuy salesman apparently convinced him that CPU and GPU power are irrelevant for gaming, and the RAM is what you really need (this is where I tried to convince him the salesman was a retard). Apparently the salesman is an "Avid gamer with a $24k computer", so he "knows more about computer than I do", according to my friend.
So my friend ended up going with this setup:
Asus CM1730_03
-AMD Athlon X2 Dual core (2.8Ghz)
-ATI 560v Graphics card (similar to the 4350) -- (I knew it sucked the second they advertise FULL 1080P VIDEO on the site, lol)
-16gb of 1333 DDR3 RAM
-1tb SATA HDD
For a grand total of ~$1k.
(Facepalm).
So, to settle our dispute and conclude our bet, as well as to hopefully convince my friend otherwise and get him to cancel his order, who was right? Is 16gb of RAM really good for gaming with the low end CPU and GPU, or should he have invested more into the hardware and less in the RAM?
Thanks,
-Dtfgator

kindly direct your friend to this thread, so he can realize what a stupid decision he has made. srsly. 4GB of ram is enough for gaming. clearly, both he and the salesman have no understanding of how a pc works. wink.gif
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post #8 of 45
Sounds like a terrible salesman. I mean, not only does he have no idea what he's talking about, but he also pitched the importance of the cheapest part in the system (RAM)

He could have commisioned way more! tongue.gif

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post #9 of 45
Most games recommend 2-4GB OF ram. 8 GB is more than enough for gaming. The only real need for 16 Gb of ram is video editing. Also most test rigs use 8 Gb. But the heck with the ram. 1000$ is more than enough to build or buy a much better computer. If he can still return tell him to jump on it
post #10 of 45
That whole computer sux and he got ripped off. He got played by the salesman so he could collect a commission. You should really try to convince him to cancel an have you...or us build his system. If its a gaming pc, i would build a system around sandybridge for ivy upgrade path. Its the best bet atm imo.
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