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1) 6950 isnt surely that will unlock
2)6970 when oced is faster than 6950 oced[even if it has the 6970 bios]
3)because the warranty covers you for as long as the card has warranty if you flash your card say bye bye to the warranty.
4)i prefer having 1 card that can provide the power needed...amd putted 6 and 8 pin on the 6970 while 6950 has 2 6 pins amd did that for a reason...
5) because i want to be sure that my card will last long and when i hear about problems with the 6950[when flashing i mean] i prefer the safe and sure way.

5 good reasons...thats my opinion like it or not.
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Granted you make some valid points, however ...
 

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Originally Posted by vagoskonti View Post

1) 6950 isnt surely that will unlock
2)6970 when oced is faster than 6950 oced[even if it has the 6970 bios]
3)because the warranty covers you for as long as the card has warranty if you flash your card say bye bye to the warranty.
4)i prefer having 1 card that can provide the power needed...amd putted 6 and 8 pin on the 6970 while 6950 has 2 6 pins amd did that for a reason...
5) because i want to be sure that my card will last long and when i hear about problems with the 6950[when flashing i mean] i prefer the safe and sure way.
5 good reasons...thats my opinion like it or not.


... the Sapphire HD-6950 TOXIC Edition Card =

 

1) 6950 isnt surely that will unlock

The Sapphire HD-6950 TOXIC Edition has about a 66% to 75% report successful unlock rate ( I'm one of them thumb.gif )


2) 6970 when oced is faster than 6950 oced[even if it has the 6970 bios]

NOT TRUE ... actually most HD-6970's OC very poorly and a couple of 6950's like the TOXIC and MSI PE/OC TF3 actually overclock much better and higher than the majority of HD-6970's on the market. The TOXIC has been known to OC and Unlock at levels that have it beating non-OC'd stock GTX-580's in fact.
 

3) because the warranty covers you for as long as the card has warranty if you flash your card say bye bye to the warranty.

OK True ... but you're not on stockclock.net  now are you ? thinking.gif so this reason isn't as valid as you're making it out to be, as long as you keep things within reason and have a quality product to begin with, you most likely will outlive the usefulness of the card and have replaced it anyways before you ever needed to Warranty it anyways winksmiley02.gif
 

4) i prefer having 1 card that can provide the power needed...amd putted 6 and 8 pin on the 6970 while 6950 has 2 6 pins amd did that for a reason...

The Sapphire HD-6950 TOXIC comes on a 6970 PCB board and has the 6+8 pin power connectors too, and comes factory stock volted at 1.175v just like a HD-6970. So moot point teaching.gif

 

5) because i want to be sure that my card will last long and when i hear about problems with the 6950[when flashing i mean] i prefer the safe and sure way.The Sapphire HD-6950 TOXIC comes with a DUAL BIOS Switch and a Factory installed 2nd BIOS on the Card that has the unlocked shaders, FLIP a switch and PRESTO ! HD-6970, NO FLASHING REQUIRED ! It's already factory OC'd to near HD-6970 levels also at 880 MHz core & 1300 MHz memory, just another 75 MHz adjustment with some manual OCing and you've got yourself a true HD-6970. So also a moot point teaching.gif


LONG STORY SHORT ... IF you KNOW what you're buying you can avoid the risks you mention, or at least minimize them greatly, and get yourself a great GPU for A LOT LESS like I did. thumb.gif

 

One last note: I see several people saying the Memory VRAM on HD-6950's can't take the OC/shader unlock if the card is FLASHED and will burn out. I think this has more to do with the quality of the particular Card Vendor and the components they used in building the card than of all HD-6950's in general, so a blanket statement like this is misleading, I've already mentioned the Sapphire TOXIC HD-6950 comes w/ the 6+8 pin power, and the same stock voltage (1.175v) as a 6970, as well it comes with improved/upgraded DIGITAL VRAMs that handle the higher requirements of the HD-6970's. Another card like the MSI PE/OC TF3 does also, so there are a few cards out on the market that were manufactured from the start to handle this BIOS BONUS. True you might burn out your cheapo XFX crap HD6950 Flashing it, but like I said if you start with a QUALITY Product to begin with, you don't have these kinds of problems or worries. thumb.gif

 


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^ To the poster above...

I just purchased a reference Diamond HD 6950 that has the dual BIOS switch. I should be able to achieve what you are on the TOXIC...right?
     
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102954

that is the one i plan on getting in a day or so

$20 rebate too (exp. 11/30/11) dont think i can beat that plus almost every review says it unlocks (dual bios switch)
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This. Without the 2 extra ground pins it the 6 pin cable cant deliver the same power

Wait a minute, are you being sarcastic or are you actually suggesting that ground pins supply power?
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Wait a minute, are you being sarcastic or are you actually suggesting that ground pins supply power?

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^ To the poster above...
I just purchased a reference Diamond HD 6950 that has the dual BIOS switch. I should be able to achieve what you are on the TOXIC...right?

 

@ IIIIICRASHIIIII ,

 

Well close ... but maybe just a notch below ... a True ORIGINAL REFERENCE HD-6950 should have the better Quality VRAM like I mention with the TOXIC, but it may or may not have a 2nd factory bios w/ the UnLocked shaders on the card from the Factory, you'd have to FLASH the 6970 BIOS onto the card, but it's not that difficult to do, and there's several tutorials here on OCN about how to go about doing so safely, and with the DUAL BIOS switch that means there is a 2nd BIOS chip on your card, so even IF the FLASH goes south, you can power off and flip back to position #1 to have your origianl Card specs back again, and can try Flashing again ... so while not as easy as the Sapphire TOXIC, or Sapphire DIRT3 cards or the MSI PE/OC TwinFrozr3 card, it isn't as UNSAFE as cards w/o the dual bios if that makes sense to you I hope ?

 

Also the REF 6950 won't be factory OC'd like the TOXIC, so If the Flash works the OC's (880 / 1375 / 1536) should come with it, but IF NOT then you'd be left with Standard 6950 clock speeds (800 / 1250 / 1408) and you'd have to manually OC the card to boost performance, though if a Flash won't take, there's NOTHING you can do to unlock the Shaders then, the GPU chip is either Laser cut to prevent the Shader Unlock, or the Card is HARD BIOSed with a software block that you also can't work around. So a little more work than the TOXIC card.

 

Also like I mentioned the TOXIC is on a true 6970 PCB board w/ the 6+8 power pins and is factory stock volted at 1.175v so it can OC' a bit more than a REF 6950 card w/o damaging the card at all.

 

So ... again CLOSE ... but NO not really, the TOXIC is truely a unique card among the HD-6950's on the market.

 

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102954
that is the one i plan on getting in a day or so
$20 rebate too (exp. 11/30/11) dont think i can beat that plus almost every review says it unlocks (dual bios switch)


@ makeshiftballer,

 

Actually maybe / maybe not ... that particular card you linked isn't the Sapphire DIRT3 edition HD-6950 (this is = http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102945 ) which yes has the Dual Bios Switch and 2nd Bios w/ Unlocked shaders ON THE CARD from the factory. It's really rather odd Sapphire has TWO cards on the market that look almost the same, and I will state I've read some poeple say the card that they got was the same as the DIRT3 so I don't know for sure ? it might just have been some promotional gimmik to sale the DIRT3 edition card for awhile and now all these cards are in fact the same. But keep in mind even the DIRT3 edition haad a slightly less successful Unlock rate than the TOXIC ... the DIRT3 edition was closer to 33%-50% chance at unlocking, does not have the Factory OC like the toxic, is on a REV2 6950 PCB board and volted stock at 1.1v ... so yeah it's a very good HD-6950 especially in it's budget range. Just try to make sure you actually get the DIRT3 edition card if you can ...

in fact maybe call TigerDirect and ask if you can still somehow get this deal ? = http://www.overclock.net/t/1166780/cheapest-coolest-6950-2gb-for-crossfire#post_15679694 

 

In fact here's a post I made with a run down of ALL the Sapphire HD-6950's on the Market ... you can see there's a few overlaps on a couple of the lower end cards that make it confusing sometimes. http://www.overclock.net/t/1161648/what-version-of-the-saphire-6950-2gb-do-i-have#post_15598072

 


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Granted you make some valid points, however ...

 

... the Sapphire HD-6950 TOXIC Edition Card =

1) 6950 isnt surely that will unlock
The Sapphire HD-6950 TOXIC Edition has about a 66% to 75% report successful unlock rate ( I'm one of them thumb.gif  )

2) 6970 when oced is faster than 6950 oced[even if it has the 6970 bios]
NOT TRUE ... actually most HD-6970's OC very poorly and a couple of 6950's like the TOXIC and MSI PE/OC TF3 actually overclock much better and higher than the majority of HD-6970's on the market. The TOXIC has been known to OC and Unlock at levels that have it beating non-OC'd stock GTX-580's in fact.

 
3) because the warranty covers you for as long as the card has warranty if you flash your card say bye bye to the warranty.
OK True ... but you're not on stockclock.net  now are you ? thinking.gif  so this reason isn't as valid as you're making it out to be, as long as you keep things within reason and have a quality product to begin with, you most likely will outlive the usefulness of the card and have replaced it anyways before you ever needed to Warranty it anyways winksmiley02.gif

 
4) i prefer having 1 card that can provide the power needed...amd putted 6 and 8 pin on the 6970 while 6950 has 2 6 pins amd did that for a reason...
The Sapphire HD-6950 TOXIC comes on a 6970 PCB board and has the 6+8 pin power connectors too, and comes factory stock volted at 1.175v just like a HD-6970. So moot point teaching.gif

5) because i want to be sure that my card will last long and when i hear about problems with the 6950[when flashing i mean] i prefer the safe and sure way.The Sapphire HD-6950 TOXIC comes with a DUAL BIOS Switch and a Factory installed 2nd BIOS on the Card that has the unlocked shaders, FLIP a switch and PRESTO ! HD-6970, NO FLASHING REQUIRED ! It's already factory OC'd to near HD-6970 levels also at 880 MHz core & 1300 MHz memory, just another 75 MHz adjustment with some manual OCing and you've got yourself a true HD-6970. So also a moot point teaching.gif

LONG STORY SHORT ... IF you KNOW what you're buying you can avoid the risks you mention, or at least minimize them greatly, and get yourself a great GPU for A LOT LESS like I did. thumb.gif

One last note: I see several people saying the Memory VRAM on HD-6950's can't take the OC/shader unlock if the card is FLASHED and will burn out. I think this has more to do with the quality of the particular Card Vendor and the components they used in building the card than of all HD-6950's in general, so a blanket statement like this is misleading, I've already mentioned the Sapphire TOXIC HD-6950 comes w/ the 6+8 pin power, and the same stock voltage (1.175v) as a 6970, as well it comes with improved/upgraded DIGITAL VRAMs that handle the higher requirements of the HD-6970's. Another card like the MSI PE/OC TF3 does also, so there are a few cards out on the market that were manufactured from the start to handle this BIOS BONUS. True you might burn out your cheapo XFX crap HD6950 Flashing it, but like I said if you start with a QUALITY Product to begin with, you don't have these kinds of problems or worries. thumb.gif

you are talking only about sapphire toxic 6950....this is just 1 card...

its not all 6950 and this card costs more than all 6950 does[it costs almost as a refference 6970] and also its another thing to overclock manualy and to flash the bios...

and as i said i dont wanna pray for my card to unlock or not...

i agree that it might be faster from an 6970 when unlocked and that it can provide the power needed but this is just 1 card that it costs almost as an 6970 its not all 6950.
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you are talking only about sapphire toxic 6950....this is just 1 card...
its not all 6950 and this card costs more than all 6950 does[it costs almost as a refference 6970] and also its another thing to overclock manualy and to flash the bios...
and as i said i dont wanna pray for my card to unlock or not...
i agree that it might be faster from an 6970 when unlocked and that it can provide the power needed but this is just 1 card that it costs almost as an 6970 its not all 6950.

He has got a point there. I am experiencing this same dilemma except that I want the card to be able to fit into a Heatkiller GPU-X3 69x0 waterblock. I've started hunting around fo the 6950 TOXIC but can't find it anywhere for less than a 6970...link me maybe?
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Well at the time I purchased my Toxic back at the end of August ... mine was $270 + tax and I got DIRT3 and Deus Ex : Human Revolution games FREE with it, and at that time the cheapest 6970 was about $350 + tax so my Toxic was $80 less than and performs better than just about any HD-6970 on the market. Again like I said ...

 

 

LONG STORY SHORT ... IF you KNOW what you're buying you can avoid the risks you mention, or at least minimize them greatly, and get yourself a great GPU for A LOT LESS like I did. thumb.gif

 

Yeah I'll grant you most of the other HD-6950's aren't at a level of the HD-6970's, but there's the Sapphire TOXIC Radeon HD 6950 2GB GDDR5 (SKU#11188-07-40R) and the PowerColor PCS++ HD6950 2GB GDDR5 (SKU#AX6950 2GBD5-P22DHG) both are cards like I mention above, and the MSI TwinFrozrIII Power Edition/OC 2gb (SKU#R6950) card is also a higher end HD-6950 that will come close to those two ... so there's at least THREE HD-6950 cards that do or are even better. thumb.gif Again research and KNOW what you're buying.

 

 

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you are talking only about sapphire toxic 6950....this is just 1 card...
its not all 6950 and this card costs more than all 6950 does[it costs almost as a refference 6970] and also its another thing to overclock manualy and to flash the bios...
and as i said i dont wanna pray for my card to unlock or not...
i agree that it might be faster from an 6970 when unlocked and that it can provide the power needed but this is just 1 card that it costs almost as an 6970 its not all 6950.

 

 

I got mine from NEWEGG ... but yeah right now they're OOS just about everywhere, most likely they will come back on NewEgg and/or TigerDirect, or you could come into my TOXIC Club (Link in my Sig) ... there's one or two people that might sell theirs and upgrade to the 7xxx series soon or get a 6990 card ... but yeah right now the TOXIC's are hard to find, Smart people jumped on them when they had the chance blushsmiley.gif Also I'm not a WC'ing guy so don't know about the "Heatkiller GPU-X3 69x0 waterblock", but the TOXIC is on a HD-6970 Rev2 PCB and uses that WaterBlock so you know. Links to those blocks are in My TOXIC Club as well.

 

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He has got a point there. I am experiencing this same dilemma except that I want the card to be able to fit into a Heatkiller GPU-X3 69x0 waterblock. I've started hunting around fo the 6950 TOXIC but can't find it anywhere for less than a 6970...link me maybe?



 


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Q9650 Yorkfield Quad-Core Asus IPIBL-LB (HP Benicia-GL8E) Sapphire TOXIC HD6950 {UnLocked 1536 shaders} 8 GB G. Skill Pi Black DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
SeaGate Barracuda 1TB 32MB Cache HP - DVD/CD combo Drive Cooler Master  MS Vista Home Premium 64 bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
HP w2207h Widescreen HP Stock BFG Tech LS-680 HP Pavilion 
Mouse
HP stock 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Quad Core Krait 400 @ 2.30GHz  Qualcomm MSM8974(Snapdragon 800) Adreno 330 2GB LPDDR3-1600 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
32GB NAND Android 4.4 Kitkat 4.95" 1080X1920 IPS Display Swiftkey 
PowerAudio
2300 mAh Battery Stereo Speakers 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q9650 Yorkfield Quad-Core Asus IPIBL-LB (HP Benicia-GL8E) Sapphire TOXIC HD6950 {UnLocked 1536 shaders} 8 GB G. Skill Pi Black DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
SeaGate Barracuda 1TB 32MB Cache HP - DVD/CD combo Drive Cooler Master  MS Vista Home Premium 64 bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
HP w2207h Widescreen HP Stock BFG Tech LS-680 HP Pavilion 
Mouse
HP stock 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Quad Core Krait 400 @ 2.30GHz  Qualcomm MSM8974(Snapdragon 800) Adreno 330 2GB LPDDR3-1600 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
32GB NAND Android 4.4 Kitkat 4.95" 1080X1920 IPS Display Swiftkey 
PowerAudio
2300 mAh Battery Stereo Speakers 
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