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post #2121 of 2736
If you are talking about drilling holes in the mini version, it would completely break the clean and minimalist aesthetics of the case (the holes would be in the front).

On the non-mini version it would look better than the plastic thing. Laser cut would be unnecessary as the panels are CNC milled and too thick for lasercuting. Do not forget that drilling holes takes more time than cutting a square and so increasing the manufacturing costs and time
post #2122 of 2736
I wouldn't mind holes in the front. And isn't the GPU in the back? Should be in the back because of slot for the ODD facing forward.
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I wouldn't mind holes in the front. And isn't the GPU in the back? Should be in the back because of slot for the ODD facing forward.

I wish the GPU were in the back, but sadly no, it's in the front.




After 3 weeks now with my 970, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with how air-starved it is. If I take the front panel off, I can watch temps drop by 10 degrees C in just a couple of minutes compared to running with the front panel on, so even after going to the trouble of modding the case, I'm now thinking of ditching this case entirely for an FTZ01.
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Well, that's sad...

What about the RVZ02? A bit flashy but has a lot of space.

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After 3 weeks now with my 970, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with how air-starved it is. If I take the front panel off, I can watch temps drop by 10 degrees C in just a couple of minutes compared to running with the front panel on, so even after going to the trouble of modding the case, I'm now thinking of ditching this case entirely for an FTZ01.

That is very discouraging. Even with the expensive solution the case doesn't handle it properly.
I was really hoping to do an FT03 Mini build, but if this means that I cannot use a medium-high end GPU without overheating, I'm gonna have to look elsewhere. Other mITX cases are so ugly though...
Does the FTZ01 have exhaust for dual fan GPUs?
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... I'm not sure I'm comfortable with how air-starved it is. If I take the front panel off, I can watch temps drop by 10 degrees C in just a couple of minutes compared to running with the front panel on,

Note that when you do the mod for cards longer than 262mm, you are blocking off an area that would normally be open to the 140mm case fan. What is a normal mod for SG05/SG06 might not be appropriate for FT03-mini. Although the Titan cooler is usually quieter than reference cards in similar conditions, by blocking off the airflow it may have to be working very hard to get any air, and hence the dramatic 10C difference with and without the side panel.

Did it actually throttle? What does "comfortable" mean?
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if this means that I cannot use a medium-high end GPU without overheating

I think you jump quickly to conclusions! The FT03-mini is an unusual design, but people have run GTX 680s in there (195W) so more efficient cards like GTX 970 (145W) and 980 (165W) are fine if you can find cards with closed-shroud cooler under 10 inches in length

For example the EVGA 970 SC non-ACX model with reference cooler is 9.5" and that leaves a good space for the bottom fan to blow at least some air into the front compartment of the case. I used for some months a GTX 660Ti @ 1175MHz which has same kind of cooler design and size and TDP is also similar, 150W. Of course it does run a bit hotter than in a more open case, but it never throttled. I did eventually put it under water, but that was more for the challenge of can it be done.

Note as well that Jocelyn has an H75 radiator behind the graphics card, and the optical drive tray and 3 laptop drives. The path of least resistance for the radiator air is then straight up and out of the case (yellow lines). Maybe the case fan needs to be set at a higher speed for higher pressure and then airflow can be encouraged around the obstacle of the GPU (red lines).



The blue line at the bottom shows the area that would normally be open to the case fan if you pick a graphics card of 10" or less.
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I wish the GPU were in the back, but sadly no, it's in the front.




After 3 weeks now with my 970, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with how air-starved it is. If I take the front panel off, I can watch temps drop by 10 degrees C in just a couple of minutes compared to running with the front panel on, so even after going to the trouble of modding the case, I'm now thinking of ditching this case entirely for an FTZ01.

Instead of moving cases I would just cut a hole on that side panel and add a fan cover (Silverstone FF123) with holes to allow air to get through that section to your GPU. It truly does make a big difference as I had an SG05 with a similar setup albeit that section had ventilation and it made a big difference for my GTX 780Ti on a reference cooler.

Looks like you're in SoCal, I have a rotary tool that can do the job in no time lol biggrin.gif

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I wish the GPU were in the back, but sadly no, it's in the front.




After 3 weeks now with my 970, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with how air-starved it is. If I take the front panel off, I can watch temps drop by 10 degrees C in just a couple of minutes compared to running with the front panel on, so even after going to the trouble of modding the case, I'm now thinking of ditching this case entirely for an FTZ01.


Would not having an AIO help in Jocelyn's setup? One of the reasons why i did not want to use an AIO liquid cooling on my ft03 mini is that the hot air from the radiator will circulate inside the case before it is released upwards.

I'll probably jump overboard when this case is released:


i cant go back to a box/shoebox case after using an FT03 mini setup:)
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Note that when you do the mod for cards longer than 262mm, you are blocking off an area that would normally be open to the 140mm case fan. What is a normal mod for SG05/SG06 might not be appropriate for FT03-mini. Although the Titan cooler is usually quieter than reference cards in similar conditions, by blocking off the airflow it may have to be working very hard to get any air, and hence the dramatic 10C difference with and without the side panel.

Oh, the Titan cooler is >10" and requires modding the case? I thought of the OCUK card as the "best" solution for the mini.
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For example the EVGA 970 SC non-ACX model with reference cooler is 9.5" and that leaves a good space for the bottom fan to blow at least some air into the front compartment of the case. I used for some months a GTX 660Ti @ 1175MHz which has same kind of cooler design and size and TDP is also similar, 150W.

How hot did it get? It's very difficult to find information or reviews about the blower cards because the dual fans are so much more widespread.
The superclocked EVGA card would be a cool solution, but of course it all comes down the cooling performance.
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Would not having an AIO help in Jocelyn's setup? One of the reasons why i did not want to use an AIO liquid cooling on my ft03 mini is that the hot air from the radiator will circulate inside the case before it is released upwards.

Trust me, it doesn't circulate much, it goes pretty much straight out. Firstly inside the case, after you install all components, has like 5 litres of air volume. One fan can easily move all that air. Secondly all the holes in the top mean that's the place of least pressure. Thirdly, if you also have the PSU pointing to the CPU, then a lot of air is being pulled out, like a windtunnel effect.

The issue is the graphics card, which compartmentalises the GPU, and you often see in the FT03-mini that the hottest part of the case frame is on that front side.
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Oh, the Titan cooler is >10" and requires modding the case? I thought of the OCUK card as the "best" solution for the mini.
How hot did it get? It's very difficult to find information or reviews about the blower cards because the dual fans are so much more widespread.
The superclocked EVGA card would be a cool solution, but of course it all comes down the cooling performance.

Sorry missed this initially because I posted the other answer at the same time.

I checked my build logs and I didn't write down what the exact temps were with air cooling. I think because the build focus was on showing the watercooling parts I skipped over that. I am sure that I tested the card (GTX660ti) as I usually do, by running folding@home for several days 24/7. If it would have been throttling, I would remember.

I actually have a EVGA 970 SC here in another build. I could try it in the FT03-mini. However it would be quite a bit of plumbing work to drain and pull out my watercooling loop, reinstall with air cooling only, and then put it all back as it was afterwards. Let me think about it, but no promises.
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