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dont care. what have they used it on?

Thats what i asked wink.gif so they block a site big deal it moves ip + dns entry so meh

Im not talking about piracy as thats a entire differnt kettle o fish.
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Originally Posted by Ulquiorra View Post

dont care. what have they used it on?

Thats what i asked wink.gif so they block a site big deal it moves ip + dns entry so meh

Im not talking about piracy as thats a entire differnt kettle o fish.

You clearly don't get what the ramifications of this bill will bring :/
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The US sets the precedent. If we let a bill like SOPA, or Protect IP get passed, other nations will follow. Domino effect, and before you know it, MLP will be the only thing allowed online*. As much as some like to deny it, most countries want to be like the United States.


*exaggeration, but you get the point
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post #34 of 91
Okay then what are the ramifications? Im just playing devils advocate outa curiosity

The UK has simmar laws (the DEA 2010) and they havnt uysed it (yet). Im stil able to get on sites which some poeple would question there legality. But if they are illigal (not saying they are /arnt) then meh if they get cut off i gotta find sommat else. If you are geting access to illigal items it is breaking the law. Thats how is it is at the moment. It can be argued that what is the differnce between what makes it okay to break the law online but not in real life? Again im not talking about piracy im talking about censorship

The point of who chosed what the bad content is is a good one and the only good one. thumb.gif

And the Law has no bite. The hardcore among us dont need a dns name / run our own DNS servers outa paranoia of DNS posinig thumb.gif

"Altering DNS results as required under the bill causes significant problems for cybersecurity: It is inconsistent with DNSSEC, a key cybersecurity initiative, and circumvention of filters will expose U.S. users and networks to increased cybersecurity risk. At the same time, the filters will be trivial to circumvent, and will thus have too small and diminishing an impact on infringement to justify the cybersecurity costs. Where DNS filtering does have an effect, for technical reasons its impact is likely to be overbroad and result in nblocking lawful expression rather than just infringement." Taken from the stop SPA paper

Also If you use this proposed program then you jus oppening youself to a world o hurt down the line. This idea is no differnt then tor or torrents.
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post #35 of 91
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Originally Posted by Ulquiorra View Post

Okay then.
What are people thinkng that has been censored? What do people think thats being hidden from them?
Whats wrong with removing *some* content that crosses the line
During the london riots im bloomin happy for bloody censorship. they di enough damage as it was so meh.
ITs all about what is censored. People need to relax and stop screaming when they hear the word censor. The UK's Internet is "censored" but i can still use it as i will. I ask 1 person to say what part of the internet has been censored?
(China dont count thumb.gif)

I believe the problem is that people do not trust government, and history has shown that there are good reasons not to. If government controls the Internet and has a say on what we can see and what we cannot see, how far will it go? We don't need the great firewall of China in every country. I personally agree things like child pornography should be illegal, but I would like the world to find a way to remove it from the Internet without needing government to control it.
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I've never liked reddit. Many of its users are very daft.
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Originally Posted by H3XUS View Post

I've never liked reddit. Many of its users are very daft.

lol, as opposed to OCN users?
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I believe the problem is that people do not trust government, and history has shown that there are good reasons not to. If government controls the Internet and has a say on what we can see and what we cannot see, how far will it go? We don't need the great firewall of China in every country. I personally agree things like child pornography should be illegal, but I would like the world to find a way to remove it from the Internet without needing government to control it.

Yep i hate the idea of a china firewall. The problem is without government intervention then things would not be blocked, most of the sites blocked in the uk are done by BT as the have most of the presnse points in the UK. But i think this is moitered by the gov

Its a shame that the US has not come to the same conclusion as the EU courts =/


"EU law precludes an injunction made against an Internet service provider requiring it to install a system for filtering all electronic communications passing via its services which applies indiscriminately to all its customers, as a preventive measure, exclusively at its expense, and for an unlimited period," the Luxembourg-based European Court of Justice (ECJ) said in a statement.

The ECJ said that while intellectual property rights are enshrined in EU law, there is "nothing whatsoever... to suggest that right is inviolable." It also said that maintaining a system to constantly monitor what was being downloaded would be highly expensive for ISPs and affect their freedom to conduct business. It also conflicted with the right of Internet users to have their private data and information protected.

I guess as a last resort you can tunnel trafic to EU countries encrypted and then go from there, of course only for legal items. Totaly avoid any techical measuers that may be imposed. Waisting however much has been invested.
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Quote:
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I disagree you either have freedom or censorship you cannot have both. I for one don't need "protection", and protection I might add from what? Who deems what people need protection from and what they don't?


Wrong, you can have both of them. Such as with google, you can find almost anything but it'll be hard to find child porn, beastality, video of a guy being tortured and killed,  etc.

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My IP is banned from 4chan. My brother cursed out a mod over there. If you piss them off, they censor you.

So change your IP Address tongue.gif
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