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or buy a 955 to tell intel "Hey, we want unlocked parts" I won't bother explaining why the 955 is probably a better part because most of the people who disagree are intel fanboys and won't be swayed no matter what.

Depends on the usage. Stock for stock the i3 2100 wins in gaming. When the X4 955 is OCed, it probably outperforms an i3 2100 my some sort of margin. Still, an i3 2100, a dual core, being a major competitor to a quad-core CPU (the quad only beating the dual when OCed)? Sounds a bit odd, but SB is a superior arch compared to the K10 arch, so it makes sense. In multi-thread apps, the X4 955 has an advantage over the i3 2100 because of the extra cores. You cannot go wrong with either one. Unfortunately, the Phenom II lineup will soon be discontinued and replaced by the FX CPUs. Just because someone defends one brand justifiably doesn't make them a fanboy.
Edited by AbdullahG - 1/4/12 at 7:39pm
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Ah, I loved my E8400... sold it off about half way though this last year and picked up some second hand 1366 gear(920 D0 and a classified E760). What a difference it made in general computer usage, I'm still nostalgic to the 775 era though, that was a lot of fun for me with all bios modding and overclocking redface.gif
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post #113 of 121
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Depends on the usage. Stock for stock the i3 2100 wins in gaming. When the X4 955 is OCed, it probably outperforms an i3 2100 my some sort of margin. Still, an i3 2100, a dual core, being a major competitor to a quad-core CPU (the quad only beating the dual when OCed)? Sounds a bit odd, but SB is a superior arch compared to the K10 arch, so it makes sense. In multi-thread apps, the X4 955 has an advantage over the i3 2100 because of the extra cores. You cannot go wrong with either one. Unfortunately, the Phenom II lineup will soon be discontinued and replaced by the FX CPUs. Just because someone defends one brand justifiably doesn't make them a fanboy.

Pretty much the same decision my friend went through. PhII with core and imc overclock will fly past an i3. Mine does anyway, and I am sure 960t will do it better for cheaper than the i3. Plus, it is better at multithreaded app and AMD platforms are slightly cheaper.

He ended up with a 3.3ghz i3 because he needed matx board, but AMD seems to be lacking quality matx boards at the moment, and that i3 was on sale.
 
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It depends on your price range, the price range of 955 buyers is generally lower than say, 2500k buyers.
Proof of it being slower than a i3 2100 when overclocked? (Closest chip to its price that I could find)
Once IB is out, AMD better hope Piledriver owns some serious butt...133Mhz bclk on an i3 means they've lost the value market.
He didn't say anything about price points. He only said that the 955 was a better part. I disagree with that statement.

It's pretty obvious that's what he was meaning though.

I actually want to see an i3 2100 vs a overclocked Phenom II quad. It'd be interesting.
    
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It's pretty obvious that's what he was meaning though.
Not really. Better, in my mind, doesn't include price. I don't go around saying a Cobalt is a better car than a Ferrari. It is a better value than a Ferrari, and more practical than a Ferrari, but a better car? No way.
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Not really. Better, in my mind, doesn't include price. I don't go around saying a Cobalt is a better car than a Ferrari. It is a better value than a Ferrari, and more practical than a Ferrari, but a better car? No way.

Nearly every argument when buying AMD has to do with the sub-$150 price range these days though, that or fanboyism.
    
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http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/362?vs=289
3.7GHz Phenom quad vs 3.1GHz i3 and the i3 edges out the Phenom in most games, only losing in Left 4 Dead (where the FPS is above 120 anyways) and Fallout 3.


Now, the 955 is closer to the 3.3GHz i3 2120 in price, and you can overclock the 2120 by ~100MHz with a 3MHz BCLK increase, while Phenoms generally hit 4.0-4.2 max for 24/7 use.

So, at best (4.2GHz Phenom 955 vs 3.3GHz 2120), you're looking at even to slightly ahead performance with the Phenom, with a lot more power draw and heat (125w TDP before overclocking compared to 65w TDP).

Generally (let's say 4GHz is easily attainable, for generosity sake, and 3.4GHz i3 2120) you're looking at roughly even to slightly worse performance, with more power draw.

At worst, say 3.7GHz vs 3.4GHz, you'll be losing in most games, often by 10% or more (and here's the comparison of i3 vs Phenom with only a 300MHz difference).


I've been an AMD guy since I started building PCs, started with an Athlon 3000+, then an x2 4000+, then a Phenom 720, then an quad core Athlon, but it's silly to think that AMD has any strong competition in the consumer market today with Sandy Bridge out. The only reason I could see anyone ever going AMD is if they need a multi-threaded workstation on a very strict budget where they cannot spring for an i5 or i7, or if they're looking in the sub-$80 CPU segment (although I think some old Core 2 Duos would be better than Athlons anyways).

Just my 2 cents.
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http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/362?vs=289
3.7GHz Phenom quad vs 3.1GHz i3 and the i3 edges out the Phenom in most games, only losing in Left 4 Dead (where the FPS is above 120 anyways) and Fallout 3.
Now, the 955 is closer to the 3.3GHz i3 2120 in price, and you can overclock the 2120 by ~100MHz with a 3MHz BCLK increase, while Phenoms generally hit 4.0-4.2 max for 24/7 use.
So, at best (4.2GHz Phenom 955 vs 3.3GHz 2120), you're looking at even to slightly ahead performance with the Phenom, with a lot more power draw and heat (125w TDP before overclocking compared to 65w TDP).
Generally (let's say 4GHz is easily attainable, for generosity sake, and 3.4GHz i3 2120) you're looking at roughly even to slightly worse performance, with more power draw.
At worst, say 3.7GHz vs 3.4GHz, you'll be losing in most games, often by 10% or more (and here's the comparison of i3 vs Phenom with only a 300MHz difference).
I've been an AMD guy since I started building PCs, started with an Athlon 3000+, then an x2 4000+, then a Phenom 720, then an quad core Athlon, but it's silly to think that AMD has any strong competition in the consumer market today with Sandy Bridge out. The only reason I could see anyone ever going AMD is if they need a multi-threaded workstation on a very strict budget where they cannot spring for an i5 or i7, or if they're looking in the sub-$80 CPU segment (although I think some old Core 2 Duos would be better than Athlons anyways).
Just my 2 cents.
Very good input indeed. I told my grandparents I could build them a nice system for $400, OS included. I was only looking at the Phenom II X4 lineup, but I'll look at the i3 lineup as well. Not sure if I can get quite that cheap with the i3 though... I was right at the limit without a case (I already have one) with a Phenom II X4 build.
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http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/362?vs=289
3.7GHz Phenom quad vs 3.1GHz i3 and the i3 edges out the Phenom in most games, only losing in Left 4 Dead (where the FPS is above 120 anyways) and Fallout 3.


Now, the 955 is closer to the 3.3GHz i3 2120 in price, and you can overclock the 2120 by ~100MHz with a 3MHz BCLK increase, while Phenoms generally hit 4.0-4.2 max for 24/7 use.

So, at best (4.2GHz Phenom 955 vs 3.3GHz 2120), you're looking at even to slightly ahead performance with the Phenom, with a lot more power draw and heat (125w TDP before overclocking compared to 65w TDP).

Generally (let's say 4GHz is easily attainable, for generosity sake, and 3.4GHz i3 2120) you're looking at roughly even to slightly worse performance, with more power draw.

At worst, say 3.7GHz vs 3.4GHz, you'll be losing in most games, often by 10% or more (and here's the comparison of i3 vs Phenom with only a 300MHz difference).


I've been an AMD guy since I started building PCs, started with an Athlon 3000+, then an x2 4000+, then a Phenom 720, then an quad core Athlon, but it's silly to think that AMD has any strong competition in the consumer market today with Sandy Bridge out. The only reason I could see anyone ever going AMD is if they need a multi-threaded workstation on a very strict budget where they cannot spring for an i5 or i7, or if they're looking in the sub-$80 CPU segment (although I think some old Core 2 Duos would be better than Athlons anyways).

Just my 2 cents.

+rep for the valuable information, Ivy Bridge will definitely destroy any reason to buy AMD for an enthusiasts rig unless Piledriver is good then.
    
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As someone who owns both a i3 2100 and a 955 I have to say the 2100 is the better bang-for-buck option for gaming imo.

It performs basically on par with an overclocked 955 in most games, costs roughly the same but has a lower platform cost because you don't need an overclocking board, uses half the wattage, runs cool and silent with the stock cooler, and doesn't require any messing around with overclocks, stress testing, etc (I'm not a big overclocker, some people might think thats a con).
     
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