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I'm looking to install a liquid cooling rig in my computer and right now I'm concerned with shopping for components, so I have a few questions.


* Is there any advantage to buying all components (or at least most) from the same brand?
Or rather, might I encounter problems in buying components that are incompatible or perform poorly because they're not designed to be be used together?

* I will have to buy a new case, is there any kind of case that is well suited for liquid cooling?
Are they any qualities I should look for in a case in this regard?

* I am concerned about power usage as my current PSU may not be able to handle everything.
Does the water pump require a huge amount of power?
I don't have any power issues, but I only have a 750W PSU and I worry I may be doing too much with it.

* What should I look for in buying a reservoir, it seems like a sort of featureless item.
I think I should go with a 5.25" bay reservoir as it would be more simple I think.
But what else, can I go wrong here?

* I've read bad things about nickel-plated components with chipping off the plating and causing problems in the system
Should I avoid them completely?
Or should I not worry about it so much?




And here's what I'm looking at right now
I'm not worried about fittings and tubing at this point, I need to get this stuff straight first.
Do I have a good set of stuff here?

Dual 140mm Radiator
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10200/ex-rad-177/Koolance_Dual_140mm_Copper_High_Flow_Radiator_-_Black_No_Nozzles_HX-CU1402V.html?id=n7MACIPm&mv_pc=6740

Danger Den Pump
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9495/ex-pmp-84/Danger_Den_Laing_DDC_Rev_325_Liquid_Cooling_Pump_-_12_Volt_-18_Watt.html?id=n7MACIPm&mv_pc=6741


Can't decide between these two reservoirs
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8584/ex-res-146/EK_Dual_Bay_SPIN_Reservoir_w_Flow_Meter_-_Acetal.html?id=n7MACIPm&mv_pc=6742

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13472/ex-res-297/Koolance_TNK-501_Single_525_Reservoir_-_Acetal.html?id=n7MACIPm&mv_pc=6743


CPU cooling block for Intel i7
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9689/ex-blc-644/Danger_Den_MC-TDX_Liquid_Cooling_Block_-_Socket_LGA_1156_1366_i3_i5_i7.html?id=n7MACIPm&mv_pc=6744

GPU cooling block for Nvidia GTX 570
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13920/ex-blc-955/Heatkiller_GPU-X_GTX_570_V2_LT_-_nVidia_GTX_570_Reference_Design_Full_Coverage_Water_Block_13098.html?id=n7MACIPm&mv_pc=6745
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Sounds like you are on the right track. yes you can use different manufacturer part together.other than lights the pump in a loop is the only thing that uses power so just find out the power requirements and figure out the math.
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You can the xspc rx240 kit for a good price. But the current setup is fine. The 750 watt ps will be more than enough

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Originally Posted by The_Juggler View Post

I'm looking to install a liquid cooling rig in my computer and right now I'm concerned with shopping for components, so I have a few questions.


* Is there any advantage to buying all components (or at least most) from the same brand?
Or rather, might I encounter problems in buying components that are incompatible or perform poorly because they're not designed to be be used together?
None that I'm aware of. Pretty much just get the components that are best, considering your personal needs/preferences.

* I will have to buy a new case, is there any kind of case that is well suited for liquid cooling?
Are they any qualities I should look for in a case in this regard?
Some kind of budget would have been nice. If money is no issue, I'd look at Case Labs, MM or Silverstone TJ07/TJ11. Make sure there's enough room for your stuff ofc. Fractal Arcs, CM 692, Corsair 800D etc. are nice cases.

* I am concerned about power usage as my current PSU may not be able to handle everything.
Does the water pump require a huge amount of power?
I don't have any power issues, but I only have a 750W PSU and I worry I may be doing too much with it.
750W should be more than enough for that system, but it wont be enough for any more cards.

* What should I look for in buying a reservoir, it seems like a sort of featureless item.
I think I should go with a 5.25" bay reservoir as it would be more simple I think.
But what else, can I go wrong here?
Again, what suits your personal needs/preferences. I like cylinderical reses is general and swiftec microres is pretty cool too.

* I've read bad things about nickel-plated components with chipping off the plating and causing problems in the system
Should I avoid them completely?
Or should I not worry about it so much?
Nickel is perfectly fine, that whole thing was 'cause EK had some bad plating and started accusing other products instead of admitting it at first.

for cpu and gfx I'd get 360 worth of rad at minimum, rather 480 so fans wont have to be yelling. There are several good CPU blocks like raystorm and apogee, so there's a lot to choose from. Heatkillers are amazing gpu blocks though. Pump was ok too.

For tubing I'd get primochill primoflex, just awesome.
Edited by Blizlake - 11/28/11 at 8:07am
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brands: no issues as long as tubing size fits and pump is suited for loop


Case: look for a case that can fit your radiators without getting in the way. Cases with open tops (they usualy have 2 or 3 120mm fans for an exhaust) are awesome.


PSU: You should be fine. If your worried then look tino finding a 850 watt+ PSU. I recommend Corsair Gold certified


Res: I like bay res because you can check water level very easily...but honestly that is just personal opinion. Some of the internal ones look really cool.


Nickel:
I stick with copper components (EK had a disaster line of nickel a while back...not sure if improved.....EK is a solid company, please don't take this as me detering you from the company...i am simply informing). But as anything, they require maintenance...just check inside the blocks every 6 months or so to check for corrosion and blockage...for the most part you should be fine.


Link 1
: I would look for a different rad...unless you have very good 140mm fans lying around, the 120mm are easier to find. when looking for fans, find the fan with the highest staic pressure. If you don't care about noise, then nothing beats Deltas. if you don't want your PC to sound like a jet engine then gentle typhoons are the way to go. Look into the Black Ice GTX series rads


Link 2: I would go with the MCP355 (link provided is for specs...you should shop around)


Link 3
: I really like your first selection...the flowrate meter is pretty cool...but honestly you can't go wrong with res. Check the case you are getting before deciding on a res...some cases are better cosmeticaly suited for internal res.


Link 4: I would get XSPC Raystorm and here's why XSPC Raystorm Benchmarks


Link 5
: GPU block looks solid but i would search around for some reviews (i don't know what is the best for here as i do not have a 570)
Edited by Hazzeedayz - 11/28/11 at 8:12am
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Brands do not matter. The only concern you will have is mixing certain types of metals in your loop. Do not fall under the impression you need coolant for your system or you'll join the many threads on this board asking why you have a gunk buildup and how to clean it. UV or clear tubing is just fine with distilled water. A bottle of PT Nuke is cheap and will last you longer than all of your water cooled computers will for the rest of your life. A few drops is all you need to take care of algae.
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* Is there any advantage to buying all components (or at least most) from the same brand? Or rather, might I encounter problems in buying components that are incompatible or perform poorly because they're not designed to be be used together?

Personally, I'm using Koolance products for my entire WC build (except for the Bitspower Galaxy Freezer memory water block). Is there an advantage? No. Will you run into problems mixing components? Only if you mix aluminum metal with copper, nickel, etc. If you're using copper/nickel components, do NOT add aluminum into the equation. Stick with all copper/nickel components. If for any reason you decide to use a component with aluminum internals, your whole setup should have aluminum internals.

* I will have to buy a new case, is there any kind of case that is well suited for liquid cooling?
Are they any qualities I should look for in a case in this regard?

If you're looking to stay within a middle range budget and nothing too big, go with the 600T. I fit two parallel loops with two pumps and a double bay reservoir by Koolance in my rig. See how I did it here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1162029/koolance-600t-captain-americas-frozen-tomb-the-final-cut

* I am concerned about power usage as my current PSU may not be able to handle everything. Does the water pump require a huge amount of power? I don't have any power issues, but I only have a 750W PSU and I worry I may be doing too much with it.

A 750W PSU should have no problem supplying power to one pump. Where you might run into issues with the power supply is how many GPUs or other accessories (lighting, etc.) will you be powering along with your WC setup? For your particular setup, you should be fine. Throw in a GTX 580 (or two for that matter) and you'll be needing an upgrade on your juice box!

* What should I look for in buying a reservoir, it seems like a sort of featureless item.
I think I should go with a 5.25" bay reservoir as it would be more simple I think.
But what else, can I go wrong here?

Bay reservoirs are aesthetically pleasing and functional, IMO. Should you have a case too small to fit a traditional res, a bay reservoir will be your best friend.

* I've read bad things about nickel-plated components with chipping off the plating and causing problems in the system
Should I avoid them completely?

EK had this problem. They've since rectified it. Koolance hasn't really had the nickel flaking occur on its products, mainly corrosion, but I could be wrong. Then again, no matter what anyone says, it all depends on the mixture of coolant you use and the metals you mix with it. Personally, I use a pre-mixed solution by Koolance or PC Ice. Since I've been using those two brand of coolants, I haven't had any problems in my blocks for over 6 months. I have not changed the liquid in 6 months either. Again, DO NOT MIX ALUMINUM WITH ANY OTHER METALS. If you want to use aluminum internals in any of your components, all of the components should be aluminum. Other metals like copper, nickel, etc. can be mixed and shouldn't pose a problem.

And here's what I'm looking at right now
I'm not worried about fittings and tubing at this point, I need to get this stuff straight first.
Do I have a good set of stuff here?
Dual 140mm Radiator
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10200/ex-rad-177/Koolance_Dual_140mm_Copper_High_Flow_Radiator_-_Black_No_Nozzles_HX-CU1402V.html?id=n7MACIPm&mv_pc=6740

I have that same radiator. However, I wish I went thicker as thicker USUALLY yields better temps and doesn't require as powerful of fans. Thinner radiators require a bit more "umph" from the fans, depending on the FPI of the rad. 30-FPI in the Koolance rads are good, however.

Danger Den Pump
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9495/ex-pmp-84/Danger_Den_Laing_DDC_Rev_325_Liquid_Cooling_Pump_-_12_Volt_-18_Watt.html?id=n7MACIPm&mv_pc=6741

Koolance sells this same pump for cheaper on their website: http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=334

Can't decide between these two reservoirs
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8584/ex-res-146/EK_Dual_Bay_SPIN_Reservoir_w_Flow_Meter_-_Acetal.html?id=n7MACIPm&mv_pc=6742
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13472/ex-res-297/Koolance_TNK-501_Single_525_Reservoir_-_Acetal.html?id=n7MACIPm&mv_pc=6743

Don't waste the extra 5.25" bay space with a dual bay reservoir unless you have one that can serve as two separate reservoirs for two separate loops like the Koolance RP-452X2 (what I have). For a single serial loop, the single 5.25" bay reservoir by Koolance will work well. I've personally used that one before and it's pretty. smile.gif

CPU cooling block for Intel i7
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9689/ex-blc-644/Danger_Den_MC-TDX_Liquid_Cooling_Block_-_Socket_LGA_1156_1366_i3_i5_i7.html?id=n7MACIPm&mv_pc=6744

That will work fine but for $20 more, try the Koolance CPU-370 for better heat dissipation. It's one of the top performers right now: http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=2030

GPU cooling block for Nvidia GTX 570
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13920/ex-blc-955/Heatkiller_GPU-X_GTX_570_V2_LT_-_nVidia_GTX_570_Reference_Design_Full_Coverage_Water_Block_13098.html?id=n7MACIPm&mv_pc=6745

The internals of that Heat Killer are copper. So if you are worried about nickel flaking in your GPU block(s), get the Heat Killer. It should perform par-to-par with most other GPU blocks on the market.

I have answered your questions in BOLD in the quote box above.
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The XSPC Kit would probably work better for you since your just starting out.

 

If your thinking of using mixed parts, then for the pump I'd recommend Swiftech MCP655 (pricey) because it is not as noisey as its eariler model. 

 

As for the res, you can also try a vertical res such as this one.

 

Make sure you match your tubing(PrimoChill best option) and barbs(bitspower) or compression fittings (more on the expensive side).

 

Other suggestions above are awesome as well. 

 

What is your budget? 

 

 


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Hey hey - thanks very much for your help
Great advice here, and yeah I'm certainly not done shopping around.

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What is your budget?
Well I'm not too limited by cash. Well I don't want to overspend or just go crazy or anything.
But I would like to keep things around $700-$750
And I need a case too, I haven't even looked into that too much yet.

As for coolant, coloring, style, tubing, and whatnot - that's a different deal entirely.
I think I'm going to steer clear of colored coolant and just stick to colored tubing, maybe UV reactive or something.
Yes style is a big deal for me, I want it to look awesome, but I need to get the basics down first eh?
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Hey hey - thanks very much for your help
Great advice here, and yeah I'm certainly not done shopping around.
As for coolant, coloring, style, tubing, and whatnot - that's a different deal entirely.
I think I'm going to steer clear of colored coolant and just stick to colored tubing, maybe UV reactive or something.
Yes style is a big deal for me, I want it to look awesome, but I need to get the basics down first eh?

lol yup
also, i agree with Mercyflush about the XSPC kit.
it'll help you get your bearing since it comes with everything you need.

EDIT: UV tuning is frigging AWESOME.
good luck on your first WC build cheers.gif
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