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56k warning: A serious look into mice for the competitive gamer

Poll Results: Your preferred mouse (You may select more than one)

 
  • 20% (18)
    Logitech MX518
  • 10% (9)
    Microsoft WMO
  • 4% (4)
    Microsoft IntelliMouse 1.1
  • 6% (6)
    Microsoft IntelliMouse 3.0
  • 31% (28)
    Razer DeathAdder
  • 12% (11)
    SteelSeries Sensei
  • 8% (8)
    Zowie AM
  • 3% (3)
    Zowie EC1
  • 3% (3)
    Zowie EC2
90 Total Votes  
post #1 of 33
Thread Starter 
Hi there. Well I have noticed in many years of researching gaming mice, that there is very few websites with mice I would like to see reviewed. It's always threads like X vs X or X vs X vs X. I think the best place for people to find reviews is OCN. So I believe it only appropriate I put this here. Main point of this thread is to have all the most used mice in one place and a discussion on them.

I want to try to keep this conversation as technical and as logical as possible. I want to hear from players from (ex. CS 1.6 / CS:S and/or COD).

This discussion will include the following mice that I think are the most important mice used by competitive gamers. I will link some reviews but we should keep in mind to discuss the various sensors used by these mice, tracking, etc.

If any of you who know a great deal about the sensors these mice are using and the differences, I would appreciate your input on this thread.

A look at specs & features for MX518, DeathAdder, WMO, 1.1, and 3.0

Here goes:

Logitech MX518
Review
mx5184sq.jpg

Microsoft WMO
MOS-MSF-N71-BK.gif

Microsoft IntelliMouse 1.1
auf31t.jpg

Microsoft IntelliMouse 3.0 (this is mine in pic)
Review
9000 Frames per Second, Maximum Speed of 54+ Inches per Second, and Maximum Acceleration of 25g's
001-1.jpg

Razer DeathAdder
razer-deathadder-gallery3.jpg

SteelSeries Sensei
Review
steelseries_sensei_gaming_mouse_5.jpg

Zowie AM
Specs - since this mouse hasn't been released yet
am_front.png

Zowie EC1 Blue (Very similar shape to IME 3.0)
Specs
312.jpg

Zowie EC2 (Smaller version of EC1)
KB-002-ZW_400.jpg


Notes:

Personally I have been using the IME 3.0 since 2007. The mouse is absolutely fantastic in my opinion. I used to have it running at 1000hz... but after motherboard changes I keep killing usb ports. I will be looking into this. Even set at 500hz this mouse performs wonderful. I have been looking strongly into buying an AM... but this Zowie AM mouse has me very interested.

I did not buy a SteelSeries XAI nor G500 due to tracking issues on cloth pads. I personally do not like laser mice for gaming as I consider optical better. But this is what the thread is for, so lets hear it.


It ain't much to start off with, but its a start of a good thread I think. Just need your input. Thank you.
Edited by x1x50Jayx1x - 12/3/11 at 5:06pm
post #2 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by x1x50Jayx1x View Post

Personally I have been using the IME 3.0 since 2007. The mouse is absolutely fantastic in my opinion. I used to have it running at 1000hz... but after motherboard changes I keep killing usb ports. I will be looking into this. Even set at 500hz this mouse performs wonderful.

You are not killing the USB port, you are merely installing a faulty driver. Go to device manager, plug the mouse into the usb port that it will no longer work in, and then watch what item comes up in device manager. It will be named something with usb, however what you need to do is uninstall the driver for that device, and then replug in the mouse, and it will work.
post #3 of 33
G400 aka MX518 is my choice.

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post #4 of 33
Thread Starter 
I also have the MX518, used it for 3 months and could never get into it.

To used to 3.0 I guess.
post #5 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by x1x50Jayx1x View Post

I have been looking strongly into buying an EC1...

ADNS-3060 has prediction, it's medium/heavy in my opinion.

You shouldn't placed Zowie AM in the poll before it's release.
Edited by Glymbol - 11/28/11 at 11:40am
post #6 of 33
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glymbol View Post

ADNS-3060 has prediction, it's medium/heavy in my opinion.
You shouldn't placed Zowie AM in the poll before it's release.

I placed it there for future reference, since the mouse is due out soon. I'll need to edit my post as I meant "I have been looking into the AM"
post #7 of 33
I still rock an old MX 510. Love that thing. Also really enjoy SteeSeries Ikari Laser.
   
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The deathadder, while nice, is pretty much junk. I went through 2 in 2 years and I'm nice to my things.
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post #9 of 33
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The deathadder, while nice, is pretty much junk. I went through 2 in 2 years and I'm nice to my things.

Yes I stay away from razer anything. I used to have a tarantula and diamondback plasma.

Diamondback broke in 1 year.

Tarantula broke in 2 years.

The only thing razer that hasn't failed me is my armadillo and thats probably because its a hunk of metal. LoL
post #10 of 33
I have experience with some of the mice in the list; I used the MX518 for a few years back in the day then changed to a G5 for another year. I bought an original DA 3g in 2007 and used that mouse for over 3 years, before I had to buy a new one because of problems. Had to get 3.5g since 3g was discontinued, used the 3.5g for another year and then bought a G400, and a few weeks later a WMO for £5.99, purely out of interest.

I play primarily UT99 at quite a high level, participating in CB cups and other stuff organised on IRC but I have also played WoW on and off. I palm grip all my mice when playing FPS games, and claw/fingertip when browsing or playing MMOs. I am a low sensitivity gamer, I play without acceleration and it takes me about 35-40cm to do a 360 turn in game.

DeathAdder 3g

This is the mouse that I have the most experience with, and I played at the highest level I ever have with this mouse - could be down to the fact that I was playing more then or because the mouse was simply better. I played with DC to start with, but at the time I didn't really know what prediction was so it never concerned me. I did flash the driver to NDC when it was available and I noticed a significant improvement to my aim despite really knowing what had happened (I was told by people who knew what they were talking about to flash to NDC).

I used the mouse on a Roccat Sense cloth pad and it tracked flawlessly. No +ve/-ve acceleration, no prediction and a relatively low LoD. I had no issues with the shape of the mouse, it wasn't super comfortable, but it wasn't a liability either.

DeathAdder 3.5g

After having to upgrade to the 3.5g I instantly noticed the braided cable when un-boxing the mouse. I personally prefer the original 3g cable, I feel like it offers more flexibility and gives the mouse more of a wireless feel, so to me a braided cable was an instant negative. Once I started playing, something just didn't feel right. I used the same settings that I used on the original (1800 DPI, 500hz) but I couldn't get the same feel of the 3g. After investigation, I noticed that the LOD was considerably higher than my 3g but thankfully this did get fixed in firmware updates. The 3.5g is slightly heavier, and the 3500 DPI is useless for me. So in my eyes Razer discontinued the better mouse.

At present day the mouse does track incredibly well, I now use it on a Talent / QcK+ but can't seem to find the same accuracy that I had on the 3g, like I say it is probably down to the fact that I don't play as much as I did but I am considering buying another Roccat Sense to try and replicate the feeling I had for 3 years.

Logitech G400
I bought this mouse because I had a Logitech discount code, I loved the MX518 back in the day and I had seen good reviews on here. For me, the cable of the G400 is definitely better than the 3.5g and the mouse shape is absolutely perfect for my palm grip. It fits like a glove but I have very dry hands so lifting it up at the start of a gaming session can be difficult (I had the same issue with the DA BE), but once my hands start to sweat a little it isn't a problem. After 3 years of playing without prediction, I was interested to see how the G400 would perform. Prediction was there, but I was playing extremely well with this mouse which only lasted a few days sadly, before I realised that prediction was becoming a nuisance (particularly on things like moving shock combos or against players moving and crouching at the same time). My initial success was probably due to increased hand/eye coordination effect which occurs when one swaps an aspect of their gaming setup.

Having said that, the mouse has flawless tracking. If you don't mind prediction this is by far the best palm grip mouse to go for IMO. For me it has a much better shape than the DA and the cable is a plus. It is quite heavy as well though.

WMO

I saw a cheap one of these on the internet so figured I'd give it a go since I wanted to see why it is such a high regarded mouse in the gaming community. Firstly, the cable is absolutely awful. It is very thick and hard to manage. Since the WMO is so small and light, unless you position this cable perfectly with tape/Razer Armadillo it will cause unwanted mouse movements, particularly on my Talent. Once you do manage the cable effectively, this mouse has to be one of the best in relation to its price. Flawless tracking, unnoticeable lift off distance, extremely light and smaller than the DA which is a plus for me because I have average sized hands. I do know about the low perfect control speed and malfunction speed, but I couldn't trigger negative acceleration on 35cm/360. The mouse feet aren't great, but on the Talent it feels smooth enough anyway. This mouse is extremely light, when I picked up my DA after using the WMO I noticed for the first time just how heavy it is.

After playing for over a week with mouse, I got a good feel for the sensor. At low sensitivities, I prefer the 3.5g sensor. I couldn't fault the WMO sensor but it just didn't feel as smooth as the DA, particularly when performing small, precise movements at a distance. Perhaps it's the lack of DPI, but in theory it shouldn't be. I game in 800 x 600 so 400 DPI is more than enough. I think it's just because the sensor is so old, the DA just has a smoother feel to it. For close combat, the mouse performed as well as any I have used.

Conclusion

Shape/Comfort: G400 > WMO > DA
Sensor/Performance: 3g > 3.5g > WMO > G400
Cable: 3g > G400 > 3.5g > > > > > WMO
Mouse Wheel: I didn't have an issue with any of them, it is just down to whatever you are used to.


Hopefully this will help anyone considering buying one of these mice, remember that all that I wrote was my own personal views, and mice can feel different to each person biggrin.gif
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