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Wow ... this news pop up right after I ordered an i7 2600k for my brother's rig ...
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post #192 of 349

Maybe AMD can live that CPU/GPU on the same chip pipe-dream.

 

Waiiiiit.

 

I mean in a more unified way opposed to two completely different things on the same chip.

 

GPGPU-like? O_o

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post #193 of 349
It being an "inferior" product is relative to the user, not to the objective facts. The Phenom X4 line is a great line and its much cheaper than the i5-7 platforms, that's why I bought it, because its comparable performance for far less money. Go spend 300$ more on Intel if you want, it may be "inferior" with regards to performance, but its superior with regards to my wallet.

There is no other argument to be made here. If you want to spend an ass-ton of money go buy Intel, if you want to still play games and do fun stuff on a computer for less money and get still pretty amazing framerates, go AMD. Like I said, it's relative to the user. Which is more important to the user, performance and spending tons of cash or still good performance and saving 200-300$ on a processor and mobo.
Edited by Atomagenesis - 11/29/11 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by Frankzro View Post

I HAVE TO. Agree with this, With AMD backing out like a party in a bad Call of Duty lobby!
AMD has been Intels shield to protect intel from Monopoly, how can Intel even have an excuse now? I mean I like AMD and
Intel, but I also like having options too!
I really like the idea of having something like the Tegra processor... This will finally put intels x86 in its place... Also, this should give AMD the chance to shine on other devices down the line. Thid may even effect apple computers as well... they mostly run on Intel sooooo... smile.gif. We will see how the Tegra 3processor performs on the new Transformer Prime from ASUS /w splashtop which will be a major slap to the face to the ipad Quadcore detachable touch screen laptop/ tablet under $1000... plus its super thin. Thats is the future of laptops for sure!!

The question is whether ARM will deliver the goods in both hardware and software designs. Also in question is whether people will prefer it once it (likely) loses it's low power usage edge as a trade off to become more powerful. Never underestimate the laziness of software developers; AMD has and that's why they want out. From what I've read AMD has it's own hands to blame along with the software community in general.
     
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I hope Intel likes getting sliced up into several pieces.
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Hasn't Intel pretty much had a monopoly on the desktop market since summer 06, Conroe? Only market since then AMD has participated in is "bargain basement budget" builds. Anyone with common sense and an understanding of the tech market has went Intel ever since the E6600 debuted. To explain, for example, when I bought my i5 I could have got a 965 BE for 165 dollars. For another 30 bucks I got a chip that's faster at (or near) stock than the 965 is overclocked (don't tell me otherwise - I own both and know it to be fact), used ~30-50 watts less power, had better SATA potential, and was SLI compatible. (The latter isn't an argument these days, since the 990x chipset). It doesn't take rocket science to determine which chip will remain a viable platform for the longest time.

Of course there were times an AMD system was a better build for a certain persons' specific needs. However, those were few and far between because Intel usually did it a lot better and for only pennies more. 30 dollars more for a CPU out of a ~1400 dollar PC build is NOTHING. Now that the Phenoms have dropped to around 100 bucks they're a better buy but SB is worth the difference. It will last -much- longer.

Their share of the server market has equally been dwindling. From ~20% back in 05-06 to ~5% now.
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I hope Intel likes getting sliced up into several pieces.

Yeah, cause that would be great for us PC enthusiasts. rolleyes.gif No one producing quality x86 CPUs.
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I dont understand why most people think Bulldozer was a disaster. The performance of the BD cpu has changed drastically since its release a month ago.

The Bulldozer was not a disaster. With the several bios updates that have come out since BD release and the many more that will be coming out in the future have increased BD performance and stability very much. The reviews of BD when it first came out mean nothing now. The BD is a good chip that just needs to be optimized. Once optimized like any other new architecture will hang with the big boys.

There has been at least a 50% increase in performance of the BD since it was released. If you think that BD was a disaster then you need to go to the BD forum and get up to date with its performance. There needed to be a lot of tweaking in the bios to gain the performance that has been reached and there is a lot more tweaks that need to be made before just the motherboard can utilized the BD like it should. Also, once Windows 8 comes out will be more of performance increase. Newer games will be heavily multithreaded such as BF3 that enjoy the 8 cores of teh BD.

The BD is not a disaster and could very well turn into the best thing thats ever happened to amd.

At first the BD was not performing anywhere close to what we or amd thought. One of the major things that prevented the BD perform 100% was the APM (application power management) that was enabled and could not be disabled in the bios. This apm would throttle the cpu when reached 100% load and would decrease performance by as much as half. Now that bios updates have solved this issue and are resolving other issues, the performance of the BD is increasing by the day.

Dont be so quick to just say that BD is a disaster. At first I thought it was too but I am glad that I hung on to it. I have realized which I should have from the beggining that when a cpu manufacturer comes out with a new cpu that has a completely new architecture that it and other things that effect it need to be optimized for it to perform 100%. It has only been a month since BD has came out and it performance has increased dramatically since. Give it a few more months for mobo to optimize bios to BD full potential along with windows 8 and newer revision of BD and it will be a the processor that ever one wanted. Even with the 8120 and the other first revision BD's will perform pretty close to what everyone else expected when it first came out.

Its only been a month and if you give it a little more time and everything is optimized for teh new architecture then the BD will perform like everyone wanted it to. You cant just assume that a new architecture is just going to jump out of the box and perform 100% without tested and optimized.

AMD is not going anywhere... They will resume as intended. They will focus more on mobile for sure because they need to make money but the desktop production will not stop because of a little hickup (BD not performing like everyone thought it would on release date). By the time PileDriver is released the bios and windows and chip revisions will be optimized 100%. AMD's new architecture was a huge change compared to their other cpus and other changes in the past. The BD was the biggest change they have made in a long time. You cant expect it to be perfect the first time out. These things take time and like us BD owners know this due to our experience with the chip over the last month. The BD is not a bad chip and its still being worked on. As of right now it is a good chip. Over the last month the BD has gone from a bad chip to a good chip. Just imagine its potential with another few months.

AMD is not going anywhere especially when there is people like me who dont have a lot of money and dont have mommy and daddy paying for everything I want when whine for it. There are a lot of people out there that are enthusiasts that refuse to spend $500 on an intel chip.

Stay updated with BD's current performance and reviews. The disaster is turning into a better than expected chip very fast.
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I dont understand why most people think Bulldozer was a disaster. The performance of the BD cpu has changed drastically since its release a month ago.
The Bulldozer was not a disaster. With the several bios updates that have come out since BD release and the many more that will be coming out in the future have increased BD performance and stability very much. The reviews of BD when it first came out mean nothing now. The BD is a good chip that just needs to be optimized. Once optimized like any other new architecture will hang with the big boys.
There has been at least a 50% increase in performance of the BD since it was released. If you think that BD was a disaster then you need to go to the BD forum and get up to date with its performance. There needed to be a lot of tweaking in the bios to gain the performance that has been reached and there is a lot more tweaks that need to be made before just the motherboard can utilized the BD like it should. Also, once Windows 8 comes out will be more of performance increase. Newer games will be heavily multithreaded such as BF3 that enjoy the 8 cores of teh BD.
The BD is not a disaster and could very well turn into the best thing thats ever happened to amd.
At first the BD was not performing anywhere close to what we or amd thought. One of the major things that prevented the BD perform 100% was the APM (application power management) that was enabled and could not be disabled in the bios. This apm would throttle the cpu when reached 100% load and would decrease performance by as much as half. Now that bios updates have solved this issue and are resolving other issues, the performance of the BD is increasing by the day.
Dont be so quick to just say that BD is a disaster. At first I thought it was too but I am glad that I hung on to it. I have realized which I should have from the beggining that when a cpu manufacturer comes out with a new cpu that has a completely new architecture that it and other things that effect it need to be optimized for it to perform 100%. It has only been a month since BD has came out and it performance has increased dramatically since. Give it a few more months for mobo to optimize bios to BD full potential along with windows 8 and newer revision of BD and it will be a the processor that ever one wanted. Even with the 8120 and the other first revision BD's will perform pretty close to what everyone else expected when it first came out.
Its only been a month and if you give it a little more time and everything is optimized for teh new architecture then the BD will perform like everyone wanted it to. You cant just assume that a new architecture is just going to jump out of the box and perform 100% without tested and optimized.
AMD is not going anywhere... They will resume as intended. They will focus more on mobile for sure because they need to make money but the desktop production will not stop because of a little hickup (BD not performing like everyone thought it would on release date). By the time PileDriver is released the bios and windows and chip revisions will be optimized 100%. AMD's new architecture was a huge change compared to their other cpus and other changes in the past. The BD was the biggest change they have made in a long time. You cant expect it to be perfect the first time out. These things take time and like us BD owners know this due to our experience with the chip over the last month. The BD is not a bad chip and its still being worked on. As of right now it is a good chip. Over the last month the BD has gone from a bad chip to a good chip. Just imagine its potential with another few months.
AMD is not going anywhere especially when there is people like me who dont have a lot of money and dont have mommy and daddy paying for everything I want when whine for it. There are a lot of people out there that are enthusiasts that refuse to spend $500 on an intel chip.
Stay updated with BD's current performance and reviews. The disaster is turning into a better than expected chip very fast.

Everybody, read this.

I'm not believing anything until AMD actually says it. I just remember them saying they won't be focusing so much on desktop but there's still a small amount of focus there.
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It being an "inferior" product is relative to the user, not to the objective facts. The Phenom X4 line is a great line and its much cheaper than the i5-7 platforms, that's why I bought it, because its comparable performance for far less money. Go spend 300$ more on Intel if you want, it may be "inferior" with regards to performance, but its superior with regards to my wallet.
There is no other argument to be made here. If you want to spend an ass-ton of money go buy Intel, if you want to still play games and do fun stuff on a computer for less money and get still pretty amazing framerates, go AMD. Like I said, it's relative to the user. Which is more important to the user, performance and spending tons of cash or still good performance and saving 200-300$ on a processor and mobo.

So is performance comparable or inferior? You seem to be saying two different things here. And an i5 platform is most certainly not always $300 more or FAR more expensive as you've stated. Try getting those "objective facts" correct before correcting others.
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I dont understand why most people think Bulldozer was a disaster. The performance of the BD cpu has changed drastically since its release a month ago.
The Bulldozer was not a disaster. With the several bios updates that have come out since BD release and the many more that will be coming out in the future have increased BD performance and stability very much. The reviews of BD when it first came out mean nothing now. The BD is a good chip that just needs to be optimized. Once optimized like any other new architecture will hang with the big boys.
There has been at least a 50% increase in performance of the BD since it was released. If you think that BD was a disaster then you need to go to the BD forum and get up to date with its performance. There needed to be a lot of tweaking in the bios to gain the performance that has been reached and there is a lot more tweaks that need to be made before just the motherboard can utilized the BD like it should. Also, once Windows 8 comes out will be more of performance increase. Newer games will be heavily multithreaded such as BF3 that enjoy the 8 cores of teh BD.
The BD is not a disaster and could very well turn into the best thing thats ever happened to amd.
At first the BD was not performing anywhere close to what we or amd thought. One of the major things that prevented the BD perform 100% was the APM (application power management) that was enabled and could not be disabled in the bios. This apm would throttle the cpu when reached 100% load and would decrease performance by as much as half. Now that bios updates have solved this issue and are resolving other issues, the performance of the BD is increasing by the day.
Dont be so quick to just say that BD is a disaster. At first I thought it was too but I am glad that I hung on to it. I have realized which I should have from the beggining that when a cpu manufacturer comes out with a new cpu that has a completely new architecture that it and other things that effect it need to be optimized for it to perform 100%. It has only been a month since BD has came out and it performance has increased dramatically since. Give it a few more months for mobo to optimize bios to BD full potential along with windows 8 and newer revision of BD and it will be a the processor that ever one wanted. Even with the 8120 and the other first revision BD's will perform pretty close to what everyone else expected when it first came out.
Its only been a month and if you give it a little more time and everything is optimized for teh new architecture then the BD will perform like everyone wanted it to. You cant just assume that a new architecture is just going to jump out of the box and perform 100% without tested and optimized.
AMD is not going anywhere... They will resume as intended. They will focus more on mobile for sure because they need to make money but the desktop production will not stop because of a little hickup (BD not performing like everyone thought it would on release date). By the time PileDriver is released the bios and windows and chip revisions will be optimized 100%. AMD's new architecture was a huge change compared to their other cpus and other changes in the past. The BD was the biggest change they have made in a long time. You cant expect it to be perfect the first time out. These things take time and like us BD owners know this due to our experience with the chip over the last month. The BD is not a bad chip and its still being worked on. As of right now it is a good chip. Over the last month the BD has gone from a bad chip to a good chip. Just imagine its potential with another few months.
AMD is not going anywhere especially when there is people like me who dont have a lot of money and dont have mommy and daddy paying for everything I want when whine for it. There are a lot of people out there that are enthusiasts that refuse to spend $500 on an intel chip.
Stay updated with BD's current performance and reviews. The disaster is turning into a better than expected chip very fast.

I am not doubting you, as i have always thought that with some software changes BD would soar, but do you have a source for me to look at?
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