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Originally Posted by DesertRat View Post

This is bad...
AMD can't compete in the mobile world either IMHO.
We already have ARM and nVidia pretty much market dominant.
AMD's is going to die probably. I doubt they'll get "bailed out", and Intel will either become a monopoly, or be forced to split into competitors, which will not work well.
The irresponsibility and mismanagement of AMD has consequences far wider than one would think on the surface. Intel can and will slow development cycles, charge more, and innovation in the industry as a whole will slow.
They keep crawling slowly out of their hole, and then F up and fall back in. I don't think even the 7000series GPUs could save them.
Our only hope as consumers and enthusiasts is the fall of x86/x86-64, and the adoption of RISC chips like ARM, so they can enter the desktop market. My concern will be with compatibility however.

I'm quite glad the economy isn't run on "opinion" but rather market sentiment. AMD flipped a $50 million profit in Q2 this year, a YOY increase of about $120 million profit (~$70mil loss Q2 2010). And most all of that profit was attributed to AMD Fusion laptops. They're doing just fine. Nvidia and ARM have nothing in the low-end laptop market, short of Ion/Ion 2 which is really a half-ased solution compared to AMD's C-series

Also, AMD has a 3+ month lead on Nvidia with 7000 series. Nvidia will only be competing on price, selling their "high-end" space-heaters for a 10% discount to AMD's 7000 series midrange cards.
 
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After AMD sold it's fab I kinda guessed they would become like Via, only able to compete on very low power CPU. Looks like this is happening now. Too bad the Bulldozer was such a failure, if it was at least competitive it might've saved AMD. A lot of you talk about Intel will slow development and increase prices, I don't think they can increase prices for the consumer CPUs too much, because people will just keep their PCs for longer. And the slower development is also not all bad, if there's a stable platform, software will start to be better optimized for the current platform. For stuff that really needs crunching power, there's always GPU computing.
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post #313 of 349
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couple more years? Q6600 is nearing its last leg to the finish line my friend. You could have sold that Q6600 earlier this year along with that motherboard and gotten a SB i3 setup with intentions for i7 2600k down the line. Instead your on aging tech that is losing value each day.
Upgrading to newer technology for next to nothing isn't that hard to do if u play your cards right

Don't you need more than a H61 to run a 2600K?
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Originally Posted by DesertRat View Post

This is bad...
AMD can't compete in the mobile world either IMHO.
We already have ARM and nVidia pretty much market dominant.
AMD's is going to die probably. I doubt they'll get "bailed out", and Intel will either become a monopoly, or be forced to split into competitors, which will not work well.
The irresponsibility and mismanagement of AMD has consequences far wider than one would think on the surface. Intel can and will slow development cycles, charge more, and innovation in the industry as a whole will slow.
They keep crawling slowly out of their hole, and then F up and fall back in. I don't think even the 7000series GPUs could save them.
Our only hope as consumers and enthusiasts is the fall of x86/x86-64, and the adoption of RISC chips like ARM, so they can enter the desktop market. My concern will be with compatibility however.
But it might take a while for ARM and Nvidia to really take hold of the mobile market,many users are afraid of losing compatibility with their x86 applications,buying into something different could also be a concern for some.
AMD's 7000 series GPU looks very appealing,though I think you're right,not even AMD's GPU division can keep them alive,every time they fall back in the hole,it gets deeper,and Intel isn't helping either. The government isn't going to save AMD this time around,if anything it'll just end up in another lawsuit in which by the time anything gets done AMD would be dead anyway,if not Intel hands of a ridiculously small sum of money compared to what they generate in profit,and AMD ends up back where they were before.

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Originally Posted by Wishmaker View Post

AMD should hook up with Apple and make the hardware for the next iPhone/iPad/Macs biggrin.gif. Problem solved. They will make a boatload of money and let the engineers focus on Piledozer!!
That doesn't even make sense,iPhone/iPad is already done by ARM & Samsung,Apple would never give up Intel unless they decide to switch to ARM.
Edited by Heavy MG - 11/30/11 at 12:38am
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AMD should hook up with Apple and make the hardware for the next iPhone/iPad/Macs biggrin.gif. Problem solved. They will make a boatload of money and let the engineers focus on Piledozer!!
 
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I think this is a smart thing for AMD to do. It is clear the market is moving more towards mobile.
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AMD should hook up with Apple and make the hardware for the next iPhone/iPad/Macs biggrin.gif. Problem solved. They will make a boatload of money and let the engineers focus on Piledozer!!

If they could they would have.
    
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If they could they would have.


You may be right on that one. Wasn't there a situation when one of the AMD CEOs wanted or did not want to go mobile and the shareholders disagreed, thus he left?
 
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You may be right on that one. Wasn't there a situation when one of the AMD CEOs wanted or did not want to go mobile and the shareholders disagreed, thus he left?
I believe that is how Dirk Meyers ended up leaving.
Though the shareholders probably took it the wrong way,ditching the desktop segment entirely would have been crazy,he most likely just wanted AMD to put more focus into mobile chips.
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Yeah but BD was designed partly by supercomputer models,instead of each transistor by hand from a design team. If AMD wants to catch up,they'll have to find some very talented engineers for what comes after Piledriver.
Nobody designs "each transistor by hand" in this day and age for CPUs of this magnitude. Some components are hand-tuned, and I imagine some really small, performance-critical structures and/or ones that are going to be replicated in large numbers might be hand-crafted to a great extent, but "each individual transistor by hand" has been out of question for years. Automated tools only really pose a problem if one relies on them to do nearly everything.
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couple more years? Q6600 is nearing its last leg to the finish line my friend. You could have sold that Q6600 earlier this year along with that motherboard and gotten a SB i3 setup with intentions for i7 2600k down the line. Instead your on aging tech that is losing value each day.
Upgrading to newer technology for next to nothing isn't that hard to do if u play your cards right
That depends, really. I mean I'm still using a T6600 laptop that I bought two years ago and for what I use it (a lot more than just "browsing, email and youtube videos" or whatever it is that "normal people" do with their computers) It's looking to be fine for at least another year, though I'm planning to squeeze two out of it (will probably upgrade to an SSD). I would have absolutely no problem sticking with a Q6600 for 2 more years. I could easily make it to 2015 with 8GB of RAM and any Core2-based quad-core, probably even a Phenom I X4.

And all tech loses value each day, regardless of its age. Actually, older tech will usually lose its value slower, since after a few years there isn't much value left to be losing. I don't think this is even a consideration when it comes to replacing a system.
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You may be right on that one. Wasn't there a situation when one of the AMD CEOs wanted or did not want to go mobile and the shareholders disagreed, thus he left?

I don't know anything about that. All I'm saying is nobody would pass up a deal like that.
    
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