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SWTOR isn't a BAD game, it's just that it's not a great game.

By all means please articulate what a Great MMO game is to you? Everyone keeps saying they want innovation, but rarely can articulate a single thing to support this.

Is every FPS out nowadays Great? Though I cannot tell them apart there are so many. If SWTor had launched with Eve like OPEN Space combat would it then be palatableto to everyone? Not really, the haters would then just say, "SWTor is nothing but WoW and Eve smashed together, this sucks!" Waaaa.

The problem is that so many people assume that every massively launched game has to appeal Exactly to YOU! Nope, get over it. Yeah I may have wanted DAoC II, but it didn't happen. Oh well.
FPS doesn't appeal to me at all, I don't run to the boards to bash them.
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I just cant believe they spent $300 million dollars to make a WoW clone. It is not a bad game, but been there done that. I will wait for Guild Wars 2 and Diablo 3.
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The game is bad in my opinion. It is WoW, with ~25% more clunky animations. GW2 has always looked much more promising.
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You wipe your ass with 15$? Obviously your not good at managing your money. 15$ a month adds up to 180$ every year plus tax. That money can be spent buying important things, or other games.
Not to mention all the time you spend "grinding" that you could spend playing games like Skyrim, SC2, BF3 or Skyward Sword.

$180 over the course of a year is absolutely nothing for 99% of people, pretty much anyone with any type of job can afford that. Most people eat around $15 in food every day. $15/month is just not noticable, by the end of the year it really won't have much of a impact. If you had a game you want and you cant afford it, you end up saving and getting it anyway.

Some people enjoy grind games, infact many people do. It's a love/hate relationship and it is their money. Some of my best, and worse, times were spent in games that cost $15/month. I don't regret spending money on a MMO, and if you do, that's your choice. The whole "who pays a monthly fee to play a game when there are many of free games" arguement was cool 10 years ago when MMOs weren't popular and people didn't understand them. Now it just makes the person who says it look foolish. Everyone knows why there are money fees, the game needs them to survive and provide steady content updates. If this doesn't interest you, then move along.

Skyrim, BF3, SC2, Skward Sword, etc are all great games.. but you can't play them 5+ hours a day and keep yourself entertained for years like you can a good MMO. Most MMO players are actually spending less than your normal gamer, because they are able to play only that game and keep themselves entertained.
Edited by Murlocke - 11/29/11 at 3:18pm
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The game is bad in my opinion. It is WoW, with ~25% more clunky animations. GW2 has always looked much more promising.
$180 over the course of a year is absolutely nothing for 99% of people, pretty much anyone with any type of job can afford that. Most people eat around $15 in food every day. $15/month is just not noticable, by the end of the year it really won't have much of a impact. If you had a game you want and you cant afford it, you end up saving and getting it anyway.
Some people enjoy grind games, infact many people do. It's a love/hate relationship and it is their money. Some of my best, and worse, times were spent in games that cost $15/month. I don't regret spending money on a MMO, and if you do, that's your choice. The whole "who pays a monthly fee to play a game when there are many of free games" arguement was cool 10 years ago when MMOs weren't popular and people didn't understand them. Now it just makes the person who says it look foolish. Everyone knows why there are money fees, the game needs them to survive and provide steady content updates. If this doesn't interest you, then move along.
Skyrim, BF3, SC2, Skward Sword, etc are all great games.. but you can't play them 5+ hours a day and keep yourself entertained for years like you can a good MMO. Most MMO players are actually spending less than your normal gamer, because they are able to play only that game and keep themselves entertained.

This is actually a serious question. How the heck do people spend years playing the same MMO? I don't get it. Don't you run out of quests? Where do you go when your Star Wars quest lines are finished? What do you do in the world? If it's just PvP the rest of the time then how can you spend years doing that?
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This is actually a serious question. How the heck do people spend years playing the same MMO? I don't get it. Don't you run out of quests? Where do you go when your Star Wars quest lines are finished? What do you do in the world? If it's just PvP the rest of the time then how can you spend years doing that?

Most MMOs add content every month or so.. and that new content keeps you busy until the next content patch. Hardcore gamers finish it early and then just mess around in the game with friends. There's more stuff to do in a MMO than your normal game, even if you've "finished" everything there's things to do in the world that can be fun. It's never ends.

Most people do play games on side though, I tend to play WoW for about 1 year spans, then quit for 6 months, then repeat. I always work my way up to a top 50 USA guild (in terms of raiding), and then get burned out from being forced to raid ~6+ hours a day. I was in the #2 USA guild up until 7 months or so ago, then I quit for good (sold my account for $4,000). Playing that hardcore isn't needed though, I was playing the game 12+ hours a day.. everyday. The game is incredibly addicting, but I easily made my money back and then some. There's only a handful of USA accounts that will goes for that price though.. I was in the top .00001% according to wowprogress.com. If I remember right.. I was the 7th best hunter in the USA.

Not trying to brag or anything, I could really care less about the game at this point. I suggest if you haven't bought it yet, then just keep it that way. It can and most likely WILL affect your social life. I don't regret it though.
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Most MMOs add content every month or so.. and that new content keeps you busy until the next content patch. Hardcore gamers finish it early and then just mess around in the game with friends there's more stuff to do in a MMO than your normal game, even if you've "finished" everything. It's never ends.

Thanks for the intelligent response! So a game like this is better played with friends or in a party?
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Leveling is just part of it, many people play for the end game raiding for gear. And by the time they get pretty far with that there is usually a new expansion or something.
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Thanks for the intelligent response! So a game like this is better played with friends or in a party?

(Sorry for the slight wall of text.. got a little carried away)

Yes it's better with friends after you get max level, but there are many elitist in the game. Even the casual players will seem elitist to a new MMO player (even though they are honestly still complete noobs to the game). I honestly can't recommend it unless you are going into it with friends that are also new to MMOs. People will kick you from parties because you don't know stuff, they will verbally harass you, etc. New MMO players are greatly frowned upon.. people want people that know how to do stuff already and don't want to explain stuff.

I ONLY played with my guild, which (as stated above) was #2 in the USA at the time. We consisted of ~28 core members, 25 raiders that were required to show up every night and ~3 backups for emergencies. To get in this guild you needed a referral and a very good application (mine was actually more thorough than my real job's application). After that there were Ventrilo interviews, and then trial periods if you were deemed "worthy". Same as a normal job... There was a point where we were sponsored and provided unlimited energy drinks and other perks. wink.gif

However, 99.999% of the players will struggle with the content and never see everything before the next content patch comes out. They either do not have the time to dedicate ~12 hours a day to the game, or do not have the patience/skill to be able to fully play their character and get into a good guild.

Just trying to give you an idea of what your getting yourself into if you attempt to play an MMO that has been going on for years. Prepare yourself... for you will be considered and treated like scum, and it will take a year or more of playing to grasp the majority of things.. and even longer before you would even stand a chance into getting into a guild that would actually be able to clear content fully (including hard modes) before the next patch. ...and thats assuming you have 12hr/day to blow on it.

In my opinion, just stay away. If you do play, try to do it casually and not see all the content.. otherwise it WILL take over your life. Guild Wars 2 isn't too far off and it's a much more casual type game.
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Sigh*...hey guys I played Batman Arkham City from the "click to start" menu to the select a save point and I must say it is a HORRIBLE game, based on my scientific experience! That is essentially how many people are validating their ability to judge TOR. No need to actually see what happens 30-40 hours into the game or even getting OFF the ******* starter planet, nope, you are already a certified expert on EVERYTHING (including future expansions, patch changes and special events) the game will offer!
How can you say the game hasn't offered anything innovative? Did you even try crew skills?? Being able to level a crafting skill without ever having to depart from questing or pvp is absolutely innovative. No other MMO to my knowledge has such a system.
PvP actually works. You dont have to only choose class X because it is the "face-roller" you can play the class you WANT and actually have success. I have to agree that most of the complainers of this game simply aren't capable of making effort to learn to play. Everyone gets mad because the game isn't easy mode, but turns around and accuses things of being like WoW...well guess what, WoW is as easy mode as it gets. You dont have to discover anything in that game anymore, flight points are practically instant, dungeon queues are instant, **** level is damn near instant. You pretty much are paying to have a game you dont have to actually play.
MMOs are set in stone, Guild Wars 2, TOR, Rift, WoW they all have the exact same base. You are a virtual avatar who runs around doing X of Y until you reach level MAX and then sit around repeating the same content trying to collect virtual items that will wind up being trashed in the next expansion. That's the system just accept it.
If you dont like the game /shrug go on about your business. Posting on forums about how butthurt you are isn't going to change ****. BW isnt going to show up at your house on hands and knees begging your forgiveness and praising your visual genius.
@philliesfan - dual spec at the moment hasn't been seen as a necessity. For the most part a classes talent tree is viable in most situations (pve, pvp) with regard to their role (dps, tank, heals). Probably will get added once a need for it appears.

Korean MMOs have implemented the notion of having a crafting system that does not interfere with leveling a very long time ago. Check out Grand Fantasia's sprite system. It's an old game, but the idea has been out for a long time... Though I agree, it's an awesome system for the most part.
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(Sorry for the slight wall of text.. got a little carried away)
Yes it's better with friends after you get max level, but there are many elitist in the game. Even the casual players will seem elitist to a new MMO player (even though they are honestly still complete noobs to the game). I honestly can't recommend it unless you are going into it with friends that are also new to MMOs. People will kick you from parties because you don't know stuff, they will verbally harass you, etc. New MMO players are greatly frowned upon.. people want people that know how to do stuff already and don't want to explain stuff.
I ONLY played with my guild, which (as stated above) was #2 in the USA at the time. We consisted of ~28 core members, 25 raiders that were required to show up every night and ~3 backups for emergencies. To get in this guild you needed a referral and a very good application (mine was actually more thorough than my real job's application). After that there were Ventrilo interviews, and then trial periods if you were deemed "worthy". Same as a normal job... There was a point where we were sponsored and provided unlimited energy drinks and other perks. wink.gif
However, 99.999% of the players will struggle with the content and never see everything before the next content patch comes out. They either do not have the time to dedicate ~12 hours a day to the game, or do not have the patience/skill to be able to fully play their character and get into a good guild.
Just trying to give you an idea of what your getting yourself into if you attempt to play an MMO that has been going on for years. Prepare yourself... for you will be considered and treated like scum, and it will take a year or more of playing to grasp the majority of things.. and even longer before you would even stand a chance into getting into a guild that would actually be able to clear content fully (including hard modes) before the next patch. ...and thats assuming you have 12hr/day to blow on it.
In my opinion, just stay away. If you do play, try to do it casually and not see all the content.. otherwise it WILL take over your life. Guild Wars 2 isn't too far off and it's a much more casual type game.

Thanks for an even more thorough explanation! MMO's aren't the game type for me but I do appreciate the explanation on how they work and what is required to play the game to it's full potential. This is most likely why I don't even like SWTOR as well.

I just for the life of me cannot spend that many hours on this hobby. I really, really wish I could! But 2 to 3 hours MAX per day only on week days is what I can spend playing games.
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