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Do you guys remember when AMD put out similar slides for Bulldozer?
Look how that turned out tongue.gif

make no mistake about it, AMD's GPU division (ATi) are much more competent that it's CPU division by a long shot. These guys actually compete with their competitor thumb.gif
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Now I believe that switching from 6870 Crossfire to 7970 is going to be down or sidegrade.I'd buy a 7970 my eyes closed if it granted 20 percent performance increase over 6870CF and provide excellent overclocking headroom.

It should grant similar performance, but you'll get rid of the issues of running multi GPU systems.
   
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I love how the 7990 is gonna wait to be released, riiiiight around tax return time. Smart move amd.


And there goes my tax return...
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@Denim
Releasing smaller dies first is smart only if you do so in a timely matter. Look at the roadmap again, if true Nvidia will begin with their low end in Q2 and won't have a upper mid-range GPU on the market until Q3 whereas the 78xx will be out in early Q1. By my count, Nvidia may be up to 6 monts late in the mainstream. That is very very slow in "tech years"....

If you know this.... don't you think they know this?
They know what they're doing and i know what they're doing too.

Nvidia were toying with ATi back then and are toying with them now.
Let me back track.
Remember the GTX 480? Its production was made very public and there were ALOT of "leaks". Then it was released.
At that time, the 6970 was being developed and all AMD wanted to do was make it so it was stronger than the 480 and also more efficient.
All they wanted to do was to put 1 or 2 feet past the line of the 480.
Little did they know that the 480 was dropped by NVIDIA as a secret prototype of the 580 to fool AMD into dropping their 6970.
You don't think there were thorough test made on the 480 before it was released? They knew it wasnt ready for release, but its called marketing warfare.
That worked..
Remember the unexpected 1-2 month delay of the 6970 after the 580 was mysteriously released?
It was too late to change any architecture of the 6970 by that time and even tho this was a bad move on consumers by NVIDIA, it was a king hit to AMD.

NVIDIA know what theyre doing, don't for one minute think that they're "falling behind".
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The 1-2 month delay was because the 6970/50 was originally a 32nm part, but TSMC axed their 32nm process. The 6870/50 was a 40nm from start to finish, allowing it to launch faster.

AMD was not trying to beat Nvidia for the single GPU performance crown with the 6970. The architectural limits of the Cayman design didn't allow AMD to scale their cards to compete at that price range.

AMD desperately needed GCN, because they now have an architecture that can be scaled much higher than VLIW4. Otherwise we'd likely not see much more than a 15-30% improvement going from the 6000 to 7000 series, as they'd mostly be relying on increased clocks from the 28nm process to give them a boost.
Edited by Homeles - 12/1/11 at 5:30am
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The 1-2 month delay was because the 6970/50 was originally a 32nm part, but TSMC axed their 32nm process. The 6870/50 was a 40nm from start to finish, allowing it to launch faster.
AMD was not trying to beat Nvidia for the single GPU performance crown with the 6970. The architectural limits of the Cayman design didn't allow AMD to scale their cards to compete at that price range.

Ahh read this then.....
http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-HD-6970-and-6950-Delay-Confirmed-166246.shtml

AMD's reason for the delay was "The 5**0 series are still going hard, we'll let em go harder for a while longer"
More like shock and aye 580 wut weirdsmiley.gif
Edited by Denim-187 - 12/1/11 at 5:29am
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After owning my 1st AMD/ATI card, I guess I'll be sticking around much longer for the 7000 series. This time, I will not cheat myself. I'll be buying that 7970 or maybe...just maybe, I'll save some $$$ for the 7990 thinking.gif
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The 1-2 month delay was because the 6970/50 was originally a 32nm part, but TSMC axed their 32nm process. The 6870/50 was a 40nm from start to finish, allowing it to launch faster.
AMD was not trying to beat Nvidia for the single GPU performance crown with the 6970. The architectural limits of the Cayman design didn't allow AMD to scale their cards to compete at that price range.
AMD desperately needed GCN, because they now have an architecture that can be scaled much higher than VLIW4. Otherwise we'd likely not see much more than a 15-30% improvement going from the 6000 to 7000 series, as they'd mostly be relying on increased clocks from the 28nm process to give them a boost.

Your prolly right about the whole GCN, but thats besides the point here.
I can comfortably say that your mistaken about them not wanting the GPU crown since they praise such a label by the day.
Not to mention having the crown is the market boost they want/need.

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Read the words in the RED box...this is wat matters to them.

Amd's marketing is pathetic.
    
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I think you are mistaking a scramble to get a good product out in the market after the fermi disaster to a masterplan.

Nvidia are not toying with AMD or anyone. They failed with fermi, recovered with fermi 2.0. And are now 6 months behind because of the original fermi fail.

Nvidia will not be laughing away looking at AMD's new cards. They will be working like dogs trying to top it. Pressure is on.
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