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Input lag is very noticeable to some but most people 80%+ cant tell the difference. I used to play CS in CRT and to a Samsung TN Panel and now Dell IPS and though the input lag is higher in the Dell i cant tell the difference at all. I dont know how to explain it but the more you play the more you adjust to it. 30ms might be high but its not going to make you 2x the gamer you are. Maybe in 1/1000th you might get killed from that input lag. I got to be really slow or people are just that more advanced then me. I mean i use Splashtop with my iPad and that had noticeable input lag because its via wifi and i am fine with it. Stuff like OnLive has huge input lag. When people review these high end monitors they assume people that buy them are pros too.
@ OP, As far as a Monitors goes finding something better then Dell for the price its going to be hard. I would suggest you go for U2711. If you ever played with Vsync or can play BF3 with Vsync on then you have no problem with imput lag. I did a test and you need ~ 1.5GB *GTX580* territory for 1440p and probably ~ 1.7GB for 1600p. GPU power wise 2 x GTX460 will be fine. You will have to Disable AA, FXAA, Put Setting to High, AF and Turn off Aero which really help.
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post #32 of 58
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Input lag is very noticeable to some but most people 80%+ cant tell the difference. I used to play CS in CRT and to a Samsung TN Panel and now Dell IPS and though the input lag is higher in the Dell i cant tell the difference at all. I dont know how to explain it but the more you play the more you adjust to it. 30ms might be high but its not going to make you 2x the gamer you are. Maybe in 1/1000th you might get killed from that input lag. I got to be really slow or people are just that more advanced then me. I mean i use Splashtop with my iPad and that had noticeable input lag because its via wifi and i am fine with it. Stuff like OnLive has huge input lag. When people review these high end monitors they assume people that buy them are pros too.
@ OP, As far as a Monitors goes finding something better then Dell for the price its going to be hard. I would suggest you go for U2711. If you ever played with Vsync or can play BF3 with Vsync on then you have no problem with imput lag. I did a test and you need ~ 1.5GB *GTX580* territory for 1440p and probably ~ 1.7GB for 1600p. GPU power wise 2 x GTX460 will be fine. You will have to Disable AA, FXAA, Put Setting to High, AF and Turn off Aero which really help.

HP's tend to always beat the Dell variants in Price and with lower input lag. The HP I have doesn't have a OSD or scaler but all of those can be handled by your PC video card wink.gif
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Originally Posted by De-Zant View Post

You can't trust a response time to describe the amount of pixel responsiveness to you, or somehow think it's input lag, which plenty of people seem to think.
My "2ms" LG W2442PA-BF TN panel has more ghosting and more input lag than my LP3065, an old S-IPS panel rated at "8ms" by a long shot. It doesn't even come close to the LP3065, it's that bad.
^^^^ Just an example for why they aren't reliable. Both are supposed to be gray to gray numbers.
Incorrect. Response time is not input lag, it's meant to describe pixel responsiveness, not the time it takes for the image to display. Plenty of 2ms and 5ms TN panels have high input lag. Most probably don't, but there's been an awful lot of cases on OCN where someone buys a panel and thinks the response time will quarantee a lagless display, and receives a panel with 20ms of input lag, just because they were uninformed and didn't do their research on the input lag of the panel.
And you can't exactly describe ghosting as lag, not to mention that it's not accurate.

I didn't mention the words "input lag" nor did i mention the word "ghosting", pixel responsiveness will result in a microstutter effect in FPS type games which is why a few years ago response time was quite often brought up and taken notice of especially on certain types of panels. People often where left scratching their heads thinking it was a GPU or driver related problem.
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HP's tend to always beat the Dell variants in Price and with lower input lag. The HP I have doesn't have a OSD or scaler but all of those can be handled by your PC video card wink.gif

You know what happens if you connect it to something with no Video options like 360 or PS3? So its better to have less features.
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You know what happens if you connect it to something with no Video options like 360 or PS3? So its better to have less features.

I don't try to play xbox at 2560x1600 rolleyes.gif I wasn't try to attack you or say you made a bad purchase, Hell I was even up front about their being no scaler. But you mentioned Price and there are better options out there when it comes to price wink.gif you get the same quality as the dell but since they removed the OSD and scaler you get lower input lag thumb.gif
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I really love my U3011 but these things are not cheap. The colors are very vibrant and I haven't really noticed much input lag, though I don't game all that often. I got mine refurbished for about $850. As others mentioned you might be better off going with the cheaper U2711. You don't lose much screen space or resolution, but it's a lot cheaper. I checked the Dell Outlet and they have a refurb U2711 in stock now for $759.
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After using a CRT for four years before switching to my ZR30w, i noticed zero delay or input lag when gaming. I simply can't go back to using anything smaller, games just look amazing at 1600p. You also don't need a monstrous gaming setup to play at this resolution, a single GTX 580 does just fine (or a 5970 in my case, i can maintain 60FPS in almost everything i play). Just turn off AA, as its simply not needed for the difference is small, if any. I can't speak for the Dell 3011 though, since it has a built-in scaller and higher input lag because of it. But the ZR30w is beautiful, and one the cheapest 30" around.
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After using a CRT for four years before switching to my ZR30w, i noticed zero delay or input lag when gaming. I simply can't go back to using anything smaller, games just look amazing at 1600p. You also don't need a monstrous gaming setup to play at this resolution, a single GTX 580 does just fine (or a 5970 in my case, i can maintain 60FPS in almost everything i play). Just turn off AA, as its simply not needed for the difference is small, if any. I can't speak for the Dell 3011 though, since it has a built-in scaller and higher input lag because of it. But the ZR30w is beautiful, and one the cheapest 30" around.

I agree at this resolution AA just not as needed as when your gaming at 1080p
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I really enjoy my 30" monitor. If there is any lag. I'm not noticing it. Gaming at 2560x1600 is pretty amazing. Not sure how those 460's will do though.
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Yes, 1600p is absolutely stunning, especially on an IPS monitor. So if you have the money, definitely go for it.

However, I do have a suggestion; using the HP ZR30W over the U3011 is a better option for gaming since the HP has a much lower input lag (less than half of the Dell), and they both have the same image quality since they use the same LG panel.
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