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The G400/MX518 and below have always been made out of crappy materials. I never had any problems with two G5's I've had. One of the G5's has a malfunctioning sensor a week or so after I got it, but a simple call to Logitech and they mailed me a new one no questions asked. There really shouldn't be a problem with Logitech mice above the G500.
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I dunno about this. EC1 offers 500, 1000, 2000 dpi. I have heard some claims that everything above 500 is interpolated. I haven't been able to verify this information. Just in my personal usage I don't believe the 1000 and 2000 dpi is interpolated. Mouse tracks well and does not jitter on the Talent. Again, I understand that there are different versions of the EC series floating around: bad scroll wheel, iffy sensor. Maybe I got lucky and got one that's pretty solid (the wheel sucks, but not an issue for me). It's a pretty good utilitarian mouse. If I could recommend a handful of mice to someone for high level FPS play, it would be IME 3.0, Naos 5000, EC1. The lauded g500 is cheaper manufacturing and has way more sensor issues than any mouse I have ever owned...crappy form factor to boot unless you claw. Yet, you could claw the 3 superior mice I already mentioned, or go for an EC2 if you wanted something smaller...
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Originally Posted by james_ant View Post

The G400/MX518 and below have always been made out of crappy materials. I never had any problems with two G5's I've had. One of the G5's has a malfunctioning sensor a week or so after I got it, but a simple call to Logitech and they mailed me a new one no questions asked. There really shouldn't be a problem with Logitech mice above the G500.

I disagree, having owned an MX510, 518, G500 and G700 and having known three or four others with the 518 only one of them had a problem with their mouse and it happened after five years of gaming.
The 518 is well built, it doesn't feel as expensive as a G500 or G700 but it's reliable.
Mine is almost four years old and works perfectly.
Out of the four options above I play with my 518 because the G500 and G700 have very noticeable acceleration.

It's probably also worth saying that the same person that broke the 518 had a G5 that lasted about a week, he also has another G5 that I think is broken.

I'm not implying the G5 is a bad mouse, just saying the 518 is about as reliable as they come.

OP, I've only used the 518 out of your two choices and I'm very happy with it but don't know enough about the Zowie to compare them.
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post #14 of 21
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I dunno about this. EC1 offers 500, 1000, 2000 dpi. I have heard some claims that everything above 500 is interpolated. I haven't been able to verify this information. Just in my personal usage I don't believe the 1000 and 2000 dpi is interpolated. Mouse tracks well and does not jitter on the Talent. Again, I understand that there are different versions of the EC series floating around: bad scroll wheel, iffy sensor. Maybe I got lucky and got one that's pretty solid (the wheel sucks, but not an issue for me). It's a pretty good utilitarian mouse. If I could recommend a handful of mice to someone for high level FPS play, it would be IME 3.0, Naos 5000, EC1. The lauded g500 is cheaper manufacturing and has way more sensor issues than any mouse I have ever owned...crappy form factor to boot unless you claw. Yet, you could claw the 3 superior mice I already mentioned, or go for an EC2 if you wanted something smaller...

Those claims are false. Zowie utilizes a 1.25x lens in conjunction with a firmware able to natively scale up to 1600 CPI = 2000 CPI.

(Default lens magnification is 1.0x)


Also I don't understand why people are ripping on the 518/400. They're like tanks compared to an intellimouse.
Edited by Skylit - 12/2/11 at 6:35am
post #15 of 21
That's nice to hear, and I believe you based on my own testing, but people probably want something official to put the whole rumor to rest.
post #16 of 21
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Also I don't understand why people are ripping on the 518/400. They're like tanks compared to an intellimouse.
UP ! Maybe because they have bass dpi and they play at hight dpi.
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Those claims are false. Zowie utilizes a 1.25x lens in conjunction with a firmware able to natively scale up to 1600 CPI = 2000 CPI.

(Default lens magnification is 1.0x)

Thank you for your technical jargon but could you tell us whether or to what is the true value of this lens customized ? tongue.gif

Is this lens customized you it improves the precision of the mouse ?

I say this because I try to move this debate in a kind of stagnant indecision between the two mice rivals which affects the author and the reader interested in the subject thumb.gif

Or it would be a lousy marketing ploy as in Razer to believe in their pro gamer mouse is better ? mad.gif

So in the end which of the two mice have the best tracking and the best frabrication quality ??????
Edited by Frenchy - 12/2/11 at 8:48am
post #17 of 21
Normal Lens magnification for the Avago 3060/3080/3090 is only 1.0x . Zowie uses a custom 1.25x lens from kingsis which isn't technically supported, but works.

The lens in this case upgrades the native CPI values from 400/800/1600 > 500/1000/2000. I can't tell you if it has any effect on the performance, but Pixart's PAW3055 actually gains a higher max tracking rate with a lower lens magnification (Only works with the version designed to fit the smaller lens tho)
Edited by Skylit - 12/2/11 at 8:17am
post #18 of 21
The G400 is def. not made out of cheap materials, its one of the most "solid" feeling mice I've owned. It has thicker plastic than the Zowie EC series mice, and slightly heavier. I've been using it for about a month now and have had no problems with tracking without the drivers. I play CS with 400dpi / 1000hz. I personally don't have any grip issues, but my hand sweats when I play, may be a concern if you have dry hands.
Edited by foppa - 12/2/11 at 9:37am
post #19 of 21
Thank you Skylit for this valuable information customized lens theoretically should increase the High Max tracking accuracy and therefore I understand.

Zowie gold as you say the above has used kingsis to use a lens even bigger than the sensor Pixart.

So is that EC1 has better tracking than the G400 that is the most important question to ask ! thumb.gif

Someone should measure the High Max Tracking and malfunction using highly specialized software to tell us which of the last two mouse tracking the best ???
post #20 of 21
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Also I don't understand why people are ripping on the 518/400. They're like tanks compared to an intellimouse.
No kidding, I should know too, I've gone through a few. The AM will hopefully stop my IO1.1 replacement cycle.

Anyway, I would buy the EC1 every time, not a fan of the mx5x0 shape (used it for 2 years), the Zowie has nice build quality and low LOD. The benefit of the Logitech is the longer warranty.

About jitter, here are pics testing the EC2 on a Zowie Spawn mousepad (also quickly tested Zowie P-RF and Allsop Raindrop XL with same results) and comparing it to a salmosa I had back in 2009 (tested on either Everglide DKT Titan or Allsop Raindrop XL, can't remember, there was no major difference between those two though).

EC2 - 37.png 63k .png file
salmosa - 37 (from 2009).bmp 4076k .bmp file

The EC2 had similar tracking on 1000 dpi, I can make some more pics if requested, meant to do a higher dpi. At 2000 dpi it had very very slightly more jitter, we're talking still basically perfect compared to the salmosa @ 1800 dpi though biggrin.gif. I had forgotten just how bad the jitter was on the the salmosa at 1800 dpi.
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