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Oh so if I buy a 6950 2GB you're going to guarantee it unlocks for me?

I want performance now and that new Sapphire 6970 that LA King is talking about is a steal at $300. I just can't see where he found that price.
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The GTX 560 Ti 448 overclocks quite well. You should expect 850-950 MHz. Keep in mind that sites like Techpowerup often do not use additional voltage when finding max overclocks, so you may be able to go higher if you add a bit more voltage in Afterburner.

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At these speeds, the card performs better than a 6970:

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Also keep in mind that AMD cards are weak in some things, such as:
1) Tessellation
2) PhysX (not supported by AMD cards)
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Originally Posted by 996gt2 View Post

The GTX 560 Ti 448 overclocks quite well. You should expect 850-950 MHz. Keep in mind that sites like Techpowerup often do not use additional voltage when finding max overclocks, so you may be able to go higher if you add a bit more voltage in Afterburner.
gpuz_oc.gif
At these speeds, the card performs better than a 6970:
perf_oc.gif
Also keep in mind that AMD cards are weak in some things, such as:
1) Tessellation
2) PhysX (not supported by AMD cards)

HD 6970 can OC too, you get 2GB, and Tessellation not as fast as Nvidia but its more then enough for any game.
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HD 6970 can OC too, you get 2GB, and Tessellation not as fast as Nvidia but its more then enough for any game.

The 560 Ti 448 will overclock to 580 levels with a bit of additonal voltage. Techpowerup often finds their "max" OCs without any additional voltage. So it's not really a "max" OC...more like the highest OC they could find at stock voltages.

The MSI 560 Ti 448, for example, hit 914 MHz with added voltage as tested by Guru3D. At those speeds, it's competitive with a GTX 580, and faster than a 6970...especially in games that require heavy tessellation or PhysX.

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Also, I disagree with your comment that the 6970's Tessellation performance is good enough for any game. The 6970 may perform just below a 580 in games that don't utilize tessellation, but in games that do (such as Crysis 2 DX11), the 6970 falls way behind the high end NVidia cards:

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OP, to best answer your original question, it really depends on what games you play. If you play games like Crysis 2 where tessellation performance is important, then NVidia cards will have the advantage. Since it costs less than the 560 Ti-448, the 6950 is still a great value, especially if you can unlock it. But keep in mind that an overclocked 560 Ti-448 will likely outperform an overclocked (and perhaps even unlocked) 6950, so the extra cost may be justified. NVidia's cards do not support more than 2 monitors per card, so if you want a 3 monitor setup on a single card you will have to go the AMD route.
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The 560 Ti 448 will overclock to 580 levels with a bit of additonal voltage. Techpowerup often finds their "max" OCs without any additional voltage. So it's not really a "max" OC...more like the highest OC they could find at stock voltages.
The MSI 560 Ti 448, for example, hit 914 MHz with added voltage as tested by Guru3D. At those speeds, it's competitive with a GTX 580, and faster than a 6970...especially in games that require heavy tessellation or PhysX.
spcbx3.png
Also, I disagree with your comment that the 6970's Tessellation performance is good enough for any game. The 6970 may perform just below a 580 in games that don't utilize tessellation, but in games that do (such as Crysis 2 DX11), the 6970 falls way behind the high end NVidia cards:
rkzlhj.png

Not sure if serious, Crysis 2 has been said 1 million times that overuses Tessellation and messes up ATi cards. Also 150mv a lot of voltage to add in the card and the cooler that it comes with. Not sure what stock was that thats quit high. How can you say GTX560 is faster when even GTX570 is not faster then HD 6970 especially one you up the resolution. Good luck in 1 year with 1.2GB.
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Good information here. I game at 1920 x 1200 so this is extremely relevant data for me. So now I'm rethinking this. Primarily I will be playing SWTOR and BF3 with Skyrim down the road. It's obvious to me that the most demanding of the three is BF3, so which card is going to run better WITH overclocks?

Dual fan Sapphire 6970 2GB
560 Ti 448

Also, I'm unaware of pricing and I'm deal hunting for the next week, I'm ordering on the 7th I think no matter what.

You really think 1.2GB nVidia >>> 2GB ATI @ 1920 x 1200?

The other thing I don't like is that I've read the 448 core is a limited release, meaning if I attempt to go SLI with my tax return I'll have trouble finding another.
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Not sure if serious, Crysis 2 has been said 1 million times that overuses Tessellation and messes up ATi cards. Also 150mv a lot of voltage to add in the card and the cooler that it comes with. Not sure what stock was that thats quit high. How can you say GTX560 is faster when even GTX570 is not faster then HD 6970 especially one you up the resolution. Good luck in 1 year with 1.2GB.

At 1920x1080, 1.25GB is sufficient. If OP has a 2560x1600 monitor or is running more than 1 monitor, then the AMD cards would have an advantage.

With regard to voltage, I'm simply stating that Techpowerup's published "max" overclocks are not the actual max overclocks you can achieve, since TPU uses the stock voltage settings in most cases. A GTX 560 Ti-448 can likely reach 875-900 MHz with a moderate amount of added voltage (as in, less than +150mV).

Tessellation is also becoming more and more popular in recent games, so you can't ignore the fact that tessellation performance is important. Crysis 2 does use a lot of tessellation, but future games will likely use just as much, if not more.
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Good information here. I game at 1920 x 1200 so this is extremely relevant data for me. So now I'm rethinking this. Primarily I will be playing SWTOR and BF3 with Skyrim down the road. It's obvious to me that the most demanding of the three is BF3, so which card is going to run better WITH overclocks?

Dual fan Sapphire 6970 2GB
560 Ti 448

Also, I'm unaware of pricing and I'm deal hunting for the next week, I'm ordering on the 7th I think no matter what.

You really think 1.2GB nVidia >>> 2GB ATI @ 1920 x 1200?

I've yet to see a game where a 1.25GB NVidia card is crippled by lack of memory at 1920x1200.

With regard to BF3 performance, it depends on what settings you want to use. If you disable MSAA, then the AMD cards perform on par with their NVidia counterparts. A 6970 performs in between a 570 and 580, and a 6950 performs a bit under the GTX 570.

1920_High.png

But if you enable MSAA, the tables turn:
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With that said, the current USA pricing of the 560 Ti-448 is too high, IMO. Most of the cards are priced at around $300-320, which is more than the cost of some GTX 570s! In fact, my friend just picked up 2x Galaxy GTX 570s today for $260 each after rebate. So if you're leaning towards a 560 Ti-448 and the prices don't drop into the ~$250-280 range, you may as well just get a GTX 570 instead.
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Well even @ 1680x1050 i hit 1205MB usage with 1 x HD 6970 in BF3 everything Ultra 0AA. Most GTX560/570 users that play @ 1920x1080 have it off, AMD user have it off because it such a performance drop. Nvidia get 20% drop AMD get ~ 35% so AA is out of the question for now. 1920x1200 is even bigger resolution so i would say get AMD, On top of that we all know once you get those extreme Texture packs for Skyrim in the future 2GB will really help. BF3 is DX11 and with no AA its HD 6970 is on Pair with GTX580. Most people compare cards with games that people don't play which really ticks me off. In BF3 is will say this again HD 6970 is faster.
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Well even @ 1680x1050 i hit 1205MB usage with 1 x HD 6970 in BF3 everything Ultra 0AA. Most GTX560/570 users that play @ 1920x1080 have it off, AMD user have it off because it such a performance drop. Nvidia get 20% drop AMD get ~ 35% so AA is out of the question for now. 1920x1200 is even bigger resolution so i would say get AMD, On top of that we all know once you get those extreme Texture packs for Skyrim in the future 2GB will really help. BF3 is DX11 and with no AA its HD 6970 is on Pair with GTX580. Most people compare cards this games that people dont play which really ticks me off. in BF3 is will say this again HD 6970 is faster.

That may be your experience, but when looking at the performance numbers, a GTX 570 is not crippled by having 1.25GB of RAM in BF3. Even at Ultra settings, it performs very similarly to a 6970 with MSAA off and better than a 6970 when MSAA is enabled.

Back when I had an Asus GTX 580 DCII, I was getting an average of 70-80 FPS with the card overclocked to 930 core. This was on Ultra settings with 4x MSAA/16X AF enabled, along with all of the eye candy options. My 580 was a 1.5GB version, and obviously it was not hindered by having 1.5GB of VRAM at 1920x1080/Ultra if I managed to consistently get 70-80 FPS.

A GTX 560 Ti-448 overclocked to 850-900 core should easily be able to get 50-60 FPS with those same settings, so enabling MSAA on BF3 shouldn't be any issue with the NVidia card.
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