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I really liked your thread & I do agree with you there. The only reason I went with my GS600 is because I had a Bestbuy Gift card & the only PSU's bestbuy sells are Corsair GS600 & GS700 series. You are correct tho there are TONS of great PSU's on the market today. If I didnt happen to get the Gift Card I was going to order the Rosewill Hive 550 for my current setup. Thanks for the read I have also seen the prices go up as I watch newegg closely
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I just need to say something.
We live in a free market society, and in a free market, you deal with people, and you have to know how economics works. I loved econ in college, got an A+ on it, although I didn't major in it. The fact is, people are blind sheep, and the people that make the money know how to do two things:

1) Make the blind sheep follow.
2) Build good will with customers by supporting your product.

Now I do have a problem with dweebs that say "Corsair is seasonic!" and "Corsair #1, seasonic#1" as if they were hypnotised in some sort of mantra, but that's the blind sheep syndrome. When you get older, you learn to simply accept this and move on. You simply can NOT change people. The majority of the time, the people who are open minded to do their own research already KNOW everything you're saying--you're simply preaching to the choir.

Now on to economics and marketing.
Corsair is popular. Why? Because Corsair made a name for themselves by marketing GOOD items and backing them with LEGENDARY customer service. You see corsair reps all over the hardware forums offering assistance to people with products. This brings good will and makes people more likely to spread the word and become repeat customers. Their RMA procedure is far above average. This works.

Compare this to a giant like Asus, who is WELL KNOWN to have probably the worst RMA procedure (often shipping back defective boards without fixing them) in the entire industry. And someone who actually WORKED at one of their repair centers knows exactly what goes on there (not the one in California).

Make a good product and back it with customer service, people will buy and keep buying. That's just how it is. It's not corsair's fault at all. They're playing their cards just as they should.

Seasonic has long been a premier PSU manufacturer. They both service OEM and the retail market. Thus they also have a name for themselves.

You can't make people stop buying seasonic. That's basically a fallicy in reasoning. It's like telling people to stop buying Intel and buy some AMD processors, even though Intel has the fastest processors, because only supporting Intel is "bad for the market and for the customer." The last time AMD was a "high end" CPU manufacturer (having processors that were faster than Intel's latest customer products) was when the dog slow Pentium 4's (which thus needed a very high clock speed) came out. THEN, it made a LOT of sense to buy AMD as an alternative. Unfortunately for AMD, the old CPU catches fire 1 second after removing the heatsink, did more damage to their reputation ANYTHING you can possibly say on a hardware forum. Then AMD stopped innovating (just like 3dfx). Like it or not, such a famous video *WILL* cause them to lose customers, and there ain't anythinig you can do about it smile.gif The diehard fans will still buy, anyway.

I bought a Seasonic 1000W PSU last week, and love it. Why? because it is currently the best 1kw PSU on the market AND was small enough to fit in my Lian-Li PC-777b snail case. The AX1200 (CWT build) would never have fit. I bought it because of reviews and feedback. If there were another 1kw that were better, I would have bought that, instead.

I bought because it was the best, not because of brand loyalty.

In order for competition to flourish, like you want it to, manufacturers have to step up their game. RAISE their quality. Add features like a power meter. Lower prices. Back it with after sale support. Then just let the market do its thing.

BTW, I HATE this new forum layout. Never have i seen a forum that brings my 4 ghz SB CPU to its knees when writing something long. The text lag is just horrid. (This is one reason I'm simply not active here much anymore). The old layout was fine. Heck, i can't even browse this forum on my old pentium4 computer anymore, which is VERY, very inconvenient.
Edited by Falkentyne - 12/13/11 at 12:32am
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but whats the point in buying the best psu on the market? do you really think therell be a tangible impact on your system between the absolute very best psu and a really solid one? its hard to judge now because of the platinum units, but go back in time before platinum existed and ask yourself that question

thats the thing i hate, people conned into thinking they need to buy the peak of the mountain power supplies to go with their high end rig. whats the point if it has no discernible impact on your computer system? its just throwing money away, just like all these guys running triple sli and junk on a piece of **** 150 dollar 1080p monitor

btw the ax1200 is not CWT
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You simply can NOT change people.

And yet I have.



You want power meters? Thortech's got 'em, and on some pretty decent PSUs as well. Did you hear about it? No. Because you've fallen prey to the same mentality that you're so quick to accuse others of. And think honestly to yourself--you don't have to answer on the forums--how much time did you spend reading reviews of the X1000 before, and after, you purchased it? Again, don't have to answer, But do a little research on the psychology behind brand loyalty.
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Um, I read hardocp's and JG's reviews.
And I'm not loyal to any brand. The power supply in my pentium 3 is a powerman power supply (I remember this). The power supply in my pentium 4 is an Enermax.
I switched from a PC Power and cooling silencer to the Seasonic for my i7. When I bought the PC power and cooling PSU in 2006, pre-ocz,, I didn't even know who the OEM was....

There, I answered your question. Four power supply choices, three different OEM's.
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Great post, wish I could give you rep for it.
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And yet I have.
You want power meters? Thortech's got 'em, and on some pretty decent PSUs as well. Did you hear about it? No. Because you've fallen prey to the same mentality that you're so quick to accuse others of. And think honestly to yourself--you don't have to answer on the forums--how much time did you spend reading reviews of the X1000 before, and after, you purchased it? Again, don't have to answer, But do a little research on the psychology behind brand loyalty.

Of course I heard about it. I read a review of one over on Jonnyguru. But I wasn't interested in it. Even if my Enermax kicks the bucket, and I keep having thoughts about replacing it, woudn't buy the thortech for the power meter for it, but for reliability, and just to get that system running again, with the least headache or annoyances. it isn't my main system anymore, and hasn't been since 2006. Its just for very old games I got back in 199x-2004, downloading stuff, surfing, doing those stupid surveys for virtutal currency, and chatting with asian women. Heck I have that computer decked out with a sunbeam rheobus and I don't even use it anymore, since there's no point.

20 years ago, I would have gone nuts over something like a power meter. But I'm 40 now. Maybe I'm old, smelly, crusty, senile and animalistic, but that's life. I still like cool things but I prefer to get into fragging my opponents more than into frills and diagnostic devices.

BTW the reason i bought the Seasonic is because of the voltage regulation. The thortech's regulation is still good, but not as good. And I made the right purchase because I was able to shave off a few mv from my cpu vcore.

And BTW you accused me of "brand loyalty" when I've used 3 different manufacturers from my last four power supplies. I don't get it....me using an Powerman and an Enermax and a Seasonic makes me a seasonic fanboy?

P.S. . I've been reading PSU reviews for years, and usually have paid close attention to forums, [H] reviews, and gear people use with powerful systems. That's what led me to purchase a powerman PSU for my first 300a build, after I retired my then too slow and obsolete gutted Zeos rig (with whatever PSU that used) which had seen hardware from a 486/dx2 66 to a P83 overdrive to a 166 mmx@262.5. I chose PCP&C for my third upgrade, because I actually met the guys at a computer show years ago, liked them and their hardware (though admittedly, at that time, they were the "best"), but I went wtih enermax for the second build, since it was a lower priced and well competing alternative, and couldn't afford the PCP&C stuff yet.

That being said, the enermax still works fine, but it has not aged well; attempting to use 3.6 ghz and 1.65v on my P4 3.4 EE just causes the PSU to shut down in 3D after awhile, which used to never happen, and then the computer won't power up until I shut the PSU off from the back for 30 seconds. Yeah could be the IC7 max3 VRMs failing too and tripping the PSU, but considering how much power those Gallatin cpu's used, who knows? It's not like I care anymore anyway...the system is so old, there's no reason to overclock it now.
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i don't want to hijack this thread but could i get some input on this psu http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6078408&Sku=U12-40841 or let me know if i need to start a new thread thanks in advance.
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Wow.... I'd avoid them.
I can't even find any posts about that power supply on any of the popular forums.

I actually had to dig deeper and found out that Ultra and Tigerdirect are simply using this as rebadgers...they aren't even being supplied by OEM's directly as an estabished manufacturer... :/ They just rebadge other units under their own name (Corsair, XFX, etc, actually order the parts to their specifications). It's basically a crapshoot. Sometimes their items come from a really good OEM, sometimes it's just horrible. Their Ultra UPS's, for example, are, or were Energizers. The only post I found about the PSU's are from someone on XS who had their motherboard and other hardware taken out when the Ultra PSU blew up (died).

Anyway, I also found a major complaint on Amazon about someone who bought that PSU; he said the cables were *TOO* short for a 1 kw unit, and he could barely make the 12v fit. Anyone buying a high capacity PSU is probably using a roomy case, so it's really lame for them to skimp on the cable size...
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thanks for the info, is there a good 1000w psu that is around the same price possibly 80+ gold rating? ( will have two 6970's in CF with 2700k oc to around 5ghz ) and i prefer newegg vs tigerdirect no taxes biggrin.gif
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