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I love how mostly everyone is excited about the IRNV nerf, that thing pisses me the hell the off:mad:
Can't wait to see all the people who use it be disappointed in how bad they suck

I must be one of the few who isn't excited or mad about it. I played the first 3 weeks without using the IRNV (partially because I thought it was like the beta IRNV, crappy). I picked up a weapon from a dead guy that had it equipped, and had a moment of realization. "This is how those guys see me when I could not see them." I have used it since. It amazes me how many people refuse to use something that is an advantage. Why not just use a knife all game? That will prove you are really hard core. Guns are for sissies.

The way it is now, I will use it. Change it to where it's no longer effective, and I will change to another scope. No big deal.

Although there is one thing that was nice about the IRNV. It eliminated the people that lay down in bushes all game just waiting for people to run by in order to get a kill. I don't care about them when they are on the other team. They are ineffective for the most part. They may get a few kills, but they are not capping points or taking objectives. In Conquest the ticket bleed caused by their play takes care of any kills they may get, and in Rush that tactic is not really effective against a good Rush attacker since they may get a kill but a good Rush team will attack in groups so the rest of the group will take care of him (waiting for kills as an attacker is useless since defenders just respawn and don't have to worry about tickets). So the use of IRNV has stopped my teammates from hiding in some corner or bush all game. Now those tactics I saw in beta will return big time since no one will be able to see those people anymore.
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lol rpg buff ? why? nerf the repair tool that's the reason you have invincible tanks >.>
    
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I don't see how the IRNV was really THAT op since I have never used it and I have a 2.8 kdr with over 8k kills. (looking for a clan btw....)

Kids need to l2p imo and stop complaining about weapons being op. The only reason weapons are considered op in the first place is b/c people are bad.
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Decreased the effectiveness of 12g FRAG ammo when equipped on semi-automatic and automatic shotguns

aw... biggrin.gif

Was looking forward on using the semi auto shotties. redface.gif

At least the M870 is still all good. biggrin.gif
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I don't see how the IRNV was really THAT op since I have never used it and I have a 2.8 kdr with over 8k kills. (looking for a clan btw....)
Kids need to l2p imo and stop complaining about weapons being op. The only reason weapons are considered op in the first place is b/c people are bad.

Completely untrue the fact that someone that is far better than another player using a lesser weapon can get killed by lesser skill player with a gun that has next to no recoil and ridiculous accuracy (F2000 i'm looking at you) even after the better player gets the jump on the other, makes an OP gun clearly OP. I have a nearly 1.9 K/D and climbing, and my reaction time is far faster than my father and he can only kill me using such OP guns.

I find that only 2 guns and the whole PDW class are really OP, the rest are fine - the f2000, USAS 12, and the PDWs in general (becuase they don't reflect their caliber what so ever)
    
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Completely untrue the fact that someone that is far better than another player using a lesser weapon can get killed by lesser skill player with a gun that has next to no recoil and ridiculous accuracy (F2000 i'm looking at you) even after the better player gets the jump on the other, makes an OP gun clearly OP. I have a nearly 1.9 K/D and climbing, and my reaction time is far faster than my father and he can only kill me using such OP guns.
I find that only 2 guns and the whole PDW class are really OP, the rest are fine - the f2000, USAS 12, and the PDWs in general (becuase they don't reflect their caliber what so ever)

First of all, why are you not using those weapons? That reasoning always baffles me. If a weapon is good, why do people pick lesser weapons and complain about ones that are better? Second, very few weapons are OP vs. the others in their class. The F2000 does not have the highest time to kill (TTK) for the assault class (that goes to the AEK). It is the most accurate when moving, but when still and looking down the sights it has a higher spread than the rest. It does have low recoil, but the vertical recoil is the same as the AEK. I actually think more people use the F2000 because the info page for the AEK is incorrect (it says 750 RPM when in reality it's 900 RPM).

As for the PDW class being overpowered, they are poor weapons in the game. They have terrible range, and their TTK even at 1m is worse than the majority of the other weapons (the PDWR beats out a handful). I understand people's complaint about the UMP since it uses handgun ammo. Yet the AS VAL uses a 9x39mm round, and the PDWR uses the 5.56x45mm NATO round. They are the most powerful PDW's, but are still rather weak in comparison to other weapons even at close range.

What it comes down too, is people get full of themselves and think they should win a shootout with lesser players 100% of the time. It simply doesn't happen. If you look at the stats for all the weapons you will see all the weapons in a particular class are really close to one another. Each class has it's benefits. I hope you are not comparing coming up against assault at medium to long range when you are an engineer. I don't care how good you are, you are going to be at a sever disadvantage. That is the way the game should be.
Edited by being that guy - 12/5/11 at 4:54pm
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I don't see how the IRNV was really THAT op since I have never used it and I have a 2.8 kdr with over 8k kills. (looking for a clan btw....)

Same here... to the T.

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Let's start a clan. Top 1 percentile KDR. thumb.gif
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First of all, why are you not using those weapons? That reasoning always baffles me. If a weapon is good, why do people pick lesser weapons and complain about ones that are better? Second, very few weapons are OP vs. the others in their class. The F2000 does not have the highest time to kill (TTK) for the assault class (that goes to the AEK). It is the most accurate when moving, but when still and looking down the sights it has a higher spread than the rest. It does have low recoil, but the vertical recoil is the same as the AEK. I actually think more people use the F2000 because the info page for the AEK is incorrect (it says 750 RPM when in reality it's 900 RPM).

If I was playing scrims and matches I would but since I don't need an unnecessary advantage in pub, I already top nearly every game I play. I say I would feel bad for the other player but I believe its actually an ego thing that you are still better than someone with a gun that is far superior to what you use. Its also a thing that you'll still be at the same level when they reduce the power to match the other guns.
    
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First of all, why are you not using those weapons? That reasoning always baffles me. If a weapon is good, why do people pick lesser weapons and complain about ones that are better?

because there is a thing called "balance" that some of us like in our Multiplayer games. Being able to see someone from across the map with that scope breaks balance.
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How do people find the role balance? I feel I'm almost ALWAYS bottlenecked into picking Engineer if I want to be effective. In enclosed areas like Bazaar/Subway the whole thing just turns into a blind RPG spam and you feel further gutted when you're completely powerless against that tank/LAV roaming freely around the city.
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