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Uh...if you're at home, why would you play a PSP when you undoubtedly have a "real" console (or PC) right there?

I think I answered that with the first sentence. There are games on the PSP I enjoy playing.
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I don't understand why people hate on portable game systems so much and use smart phones as the reason they shouldn't/can't do well. This isn't even like comparing PC to consoles. It's more like comparing real PC games to Facebook games. Try to imagine if PC gaming was entirely replaced by Farmville and Family Feud. That's what handheld gaming would be like if real handheld gaming systems died off. There may be a time in the future when games with even a slight bit of complexity can be released on phones or another multi-use gadget, but currently they just aren't made for them and it shows. Unless phones are designed or at least have a way to control games decently, they aren't going to compare to real gaming devices for anything but casual games.
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@VulcanDragon:

(I won't quote anything, I hate walls of text that are quotes of quoted replies xD)

Smartphone part: Yes, they do because they've realised that people doesn't care spending a couple dollars on a game, if it sucks... Well, it's just a couple dollars. Also because the costs to have an app in the Market/AppStore are minimal, and also because a crapload of people has smartphones, ergo market's much wider.

To the devoted gaming community... Well, to us, smartphone gaming is way too casual. I'll speak for the only game that has 'immersed' me a tiny bit. That is Zenonia 1. Zenonia 2 didn't come nowhere as close to the first, and the third one... Well, I don't like it that much. But the first one was brutally good. Besides from that, I don't find that much games worth to be played for a long time anymore. Most of them seem to be made for those spare minutes in the bathroom, in the train, or waiting for the bus.

Proprietary cartridge part: That is what I thought they'd do. Release the games on a PSVita stick. Well, to that I say GREAT! because it cuts on piracy and increases system reliability to infinity and beyond (it's much, MUCH less likely to have a memcard fail than any other storage way. That's why I raged upon Sony's decision to use UMDs in 1st PSP). To the proprietary data storage devices, I rage upon that, one step backwards in the race to worldwide device intercompatibility.

3D being gimmicky part: It is gimmicky if the devs don't fully use it. That is, games that aren't made by Nintendo. On those made by them (Super Mario 3D Land, pex) it is brutal. I played SM3DL in GameStop yesterday, and I must say it has an amazing WOW factor, and that the game uses the depth added by the 3D to provide actual sense of movement besides seeing the character animated. I am so looking forward MK7 to see what it delivers (especially having seen the truckload of new features and characters, unseen since MK:DD), and in a month or so I'll be getting OoT 3DS. Let's see how it shines.

If you look at, let's say Splinter Cell 3DS, well it blows. It looks nice and all that, but nothing else more. Asphalt doesn't shine either, feeling 'plain' despite being in 3D. Ridge Racer 3D looks better and feels better. Namco is still one of those devs who can do a nice Oomph on their games.

Financial strains part: Well, Wii sales are still nice, now that it retails at €149, and 3DS is entering a spiral of sales after the price reduction that looks like it'll be this christmas's star. $169 for such a portable device, I say it's a nice deal. And when more and more Nintendo-style games start to roll onto the market, sales will rocket again. Especially now that they're rescuing the Touch! Generations series, and adding more and more features to the console to make it more of an 'overall device', not just a gaming console. 3D video filming being one of the flagships.


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Well whatever, even those that say they were on the fence about buying it before, I bet in time the pricing will be right for you and you'll hop on eventually. For the people who were looking for the experience more or less regardless of price like me, I'll get it day one. I have always been an early adopter since PS1 and I have no regrets.


On the 3DS note, I owned a 3DS already and it was a fun system. Was it worth $170? Yeah I think so, was it worth $250 @ launch? No way. So I waited on that one. Only reason I sold it is because I know once Vita is out it will be unused.



Also Vulcan, I played my PSP not only while I was out, but also at home in bed. I don't know about you but I really enjoy playing my PSP while laying as comfortable as possible. Not only that but I could get away with watching chick flicks with the GF while playing my PSP muted, so its win win lol.
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Also an interesting related rumor with the memory card pricing that may make you guys feel better about it if turns out to be true:

http://kotaku.com/5864910/digital-download-discount-for-vita-may-explain-sonys-memory-stick-plans
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A rumor reported by the site Thrifty Nerd says the PSN downloadable versions of Vita games will be discounted 40 percent off their retail counterparts.
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3D being gimmicky part: It is gimmicky if the devs don't fully use it. That is, games that aren't made by Nintendo. On those made by them (Super Mario 3D Land, pex) it is brutal. I played SM3DL in GameStop yesterday, and I must say it has an amazing WOW factor, and that the game uses the depth added by the 3D to provide actual sense of movement besides seeing the character animated.

By gimmicky, I meant that it doesn't really work all that well. I mean, yes it does work...but only if you hold the 3DS in a fixed position at a certain distance from your face, right? That was my experience at Best Buy anyway, and I was so disappointed because where it has to be is not where I would hold it in a "normal" gaming position. Which is, I believe, why so many people just slide the 3D swtich to all the way off, right? I have a feeling I would be doing the same thing more often than not.
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Financial strains part: Well, Wii sales are still nice, now that it retails at €149, and 3DS is entering a spiral of sales after the price reduction that looks like it'll be this christmas's star. $169 for such a portable device, I say it's a nice deal.

I take the more bearish view that it was a desperation move. Sure it will bump sales, any price cut bumps sales. Even the BlackBerry Playbook, perhaps the most craptastic of the iPad wannabes, started moving units when it was heavily discounted for Black Friday. Heck, even the discontinued HP TouchPad sold like hotcakes when ht was cut to $99 to liquidate the inventory! But those customers are suckers, as is anyone who buys a 3DS this Xmas because of the price drop.

Now before anyone gets upset at that comment, they are not suckers for buying a 3DS...they are suckers for buying a 1st generation 3DS! As is evident to anyone who pays attention to Nintendo, their 2nd generation portable is always "the good one". The original GameBoy was a brick with 4 shades of green, then the GameBoy Color came along. The original GBA was big and had no backlight, then we got the GBA SP (best...portable...ever). The original DS was an ugly big clamshell, then we got the sleek and slimmed down DS Lite. Anyone else see the pattern here? There is no reason to think that a much better 3DS is coming, and probably as soon as next year. (Need evidence? 3DS owners already have to pony up extra dough for that second analog stick, which we all know should have been in the device from day one. Anyone actually think there is NOT a 3DS coming with both sticks built in?)
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And when more and more Nintendo-style games start to roll onto the market, sales will rocket again. Especially now that they're rescuing the Touch! Generations series, and adding more and more features to the console to make it more of an 'overall device', not just a gaming console. 3D video filming being one of the flagships.

Yeah, I don't disagree about the games. Not so sure about 3D filming, I am not sold that 3D movies really have staying power.
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P.S: What's wrong with Pokemon? mad.gif

Heh, nothing if that's what you're into I suppse. cheers.gif Never played it myself, but I did vomit in my mouth a few times from watching the cartoon.

But the 90s was full of some truly killer franchises, Pokemon is just not what I would consider "representative of the decade". That's what I meant.
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Whatever.

Sony just has this odd fascination with developing their own media and forcing everyone to use it.
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I don't have a problem with it, do you? The system itself is a great value, so to pay extra in one department for Sony to standardize speeds and help prevent piracy isn't an issue for me.
*edit* nice little related rumor.

except Sony has done this countless times in the past, even trying to force people to use their own unique flash memory format since the dawn of digital cameras which - no surprise - generally ended up costing several times more for less capacity and often slower overall speeds when there was CF and then SD as the respective kings of their times.

just as then as is now, Sony simply wants to charge more for less while maintaining control, and most likely has a naive plan to try and take over the flash card market from SD
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I take the more bearish view that it was a desperation move. Sure it will bump sales, any price cut bumps sales. Even the BlackBerry Playbook, perhaps the most craptastic of the iPad wannabes, started moving units when it was heavily discounted for Black Friday. Heck, even the discontinued HP TouchPad sold like hotcakes when ht was cut to $99 to liquidate the inventory! But those customers are suckers, as is anyone who buys a 3DS this Xmas because of the price drop.
Now before anyone gets upset at that comment, they are not suckers for buying a 3DS...they are suckers for buying a 1st generation 3DS! As is evident to anyone who pays attention to Nintendo, their 2nd generation portable is always "the good one". The original GameBoy was a brick with 4 shades of green, then the GameBoy Color came along. The original GBA was big and had no backlight, then we got the GBA SP (best...portable...ever). The original DS was an ugly big clamshell, then we got the sleek and slimmed down DS Lite. Anyone else see the pattern here? There is no reason to think that a much better 3DS is coming, and probably as soon as next year. (Need evidence? 3DS owners already have to pony up extra dough for that second analog stick, which we all know should have been in the device from day one. Anyone actually think there is NOT a 3DS coming with both sticks built in?)

Well even though I see where your coming from, the same can be said about the entire electronics industry really. There is always a new improved something down the line. But, I don't consider myself a sucker for buying one early because I was anxious to get my hands on the technology and games. I got exactly what I payed for and I don't regret it not even after the price cut. They took care of us early adopters with the Ambassador program. 20 free really good games.

Also, I am sometimes annoyed by the limits of the screen's 3D as you have pointed out, but I normally leave it on because It IMO drastically improves the visuals and really clears up AA Issues and for some games works really really well. Its not a perfect device the 3DS and will no doubt see improvements in future iterations but I have enjoyed the ride so far and certainly don't feel like a sucker for buying one.
     
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I will replace my 3DS with the next version.
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I7 3930K @ 4.4ghz Asus Rampage IV Extreme 2011 EVGA GTX 980 Ti 6GB FTW EVGA GTX 980 Ti 6GB FTW 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
G,skill Ripjaw Z series 2400 32gb Samsung 840 Pro Seagate 3TB 7200 RPM  Western Digital mainstream 3TB  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 Pro LG Bluray Burner Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 Windows 10 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Monoprice 27" 2560x1440 IPS LED Razer Black Widow Tournament Edition Corsair RM1000 CoolerMaster Storm Trooper 
Other
EVGA SLI Bridge 
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Intel I7 870 @ 3.6 ghz ASUS P7P55D-E Pro EVGA 680 GTX 4gb EVGA 680 GTX 4gb 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveOS
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4x 4GB) DDR3 Samsung 830 128 GB SSD, WD 2TB 7200 RPM LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner Windows 7 64 bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer G24, 24" 1920x1200 Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Antec TruePower 750 COOLER MASTER Storm Scout 
MouseMouse Pad
Rat7 Razer eXactMat 
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1440P Extreme.
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Now the wifes PC.
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
I7 3930K @ 4.4ghz Asus Rampage IV Extreme 2011 EVGA GTX 980 Ti 6GB FTW EVGA GTX 980 Ti 6GB FTW 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
G,skill Ripjaw Z series 2400 32gb Samsung 840 Pro Seagate 3TB 7200 RPM  Western Digital mainstream 3TB  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 Pro LG Bluray Burner Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 Windows 10 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Monoprice 27" 2560x1440 IPS LED Razer Black Widow Tournament Edition Corsair RM1000 CoolerMaster Storm Trooper 
Other
EVGA SLI Bridge 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel I7 870 @ 3.6 ghz ASUS P7P55D-E Pro EVGA 680 GTX 4gb EVGA 680 GTX 4gb 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveOS
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4x 4GB) DDR3 Samsung 830 128 GB SSD, WD 2TB 7200 RPM LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner Windows 7 64 bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer G24, 24" 1920x1200 Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Antec TruePower 750 COOLER MASTER Storm Scout 
MouseMouse Pad
Rat7 Razer eXactMat 
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